Re: [bitcoin-dev] Suggestion for a universal bitcoin value scale

2018-09-12 Thread Clark Moody via bitcoin-dev
This is the sort of thing I expect to emerge from the places that use Bitcoin "on the street." We should be watching how local wallet software displays bitcoin amounts, letting the standards write themselves over time. The units debate (bits, millibits, etc) has been going on nearly as long as

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Schnorr signatures BIP

2018-09-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 5:38 PM Erik Aronesty wrote: > > - Musig, by being M of M, is inherently prone to loss. M of M is a particular threshold. If you want M of M (there are plenty of cases where M of M _must_ be used) then you get the consequences of M of M, which presumably you want. This

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Schnorr signatures BIP

2018-09-12 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
To answer points: - I switched to the medium article so that I could correct, edit and improve things to make them more clear. - I responded to feedback by modifying the protocol to make it work - not by ignoring it. - I coded it up in python so I could be sure it worked, because I was concerned

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Schnorr signatures BIP

2018-09-12 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
Greg, I added, stripped out, and added analogous musig delinearization 3 times in response to stuff posted here. I'm adding it back now. Not sure why my head is thick around that issue. The security advantages of a redistributable threshold system are huge. If a system isn't redistributable,

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Schnorr signatures BIP

2018-09-12 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
> That approach has its uses but I think that in any case where delinearization can be used it's a better option. I agree, communication efficiency is a concern for some applications, and I can think of cases where delinearization is the better option as well. For users that want an "M of N"

[bitcoin-dev] RFC: BIP 322: Generic Signed Message Format

2018-09-12 Thread Karl-Johan Alm via bitcoin-dev
Hi. [note: BIP number was assigned to PR before this email was sent; I did not self-assign the BIP number] Below is a proposal to extend the existing sign/verifymessage format to a more generalized variant relying on the script verification mechanism in Bitcoin itself for message

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Suggestion for a universal bitcoin value scale

2018-09-12 Thread Karl-Johan Alm via bitcoin-dev
A potential problem is that it would be a new attack vector to simply color something to appear as e.g. 10x more than it really is, if everyone started using this system. On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 5:27 AM Martin Damgaard via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > Hi bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > Here

Re: [bitcoin-dev] RFC: BIP 322: Generic Signed Message Format

2018-09-12 Thread Karl-Johan Alm via bitcoin-dev
Greetings, (The quoted proposal is already outdated, and I recommend you check out the up to date formatted version here: https://github.com/kallewoof/bips/blob/bip-generic-signmessage/bip-0322.mediawiki The PR with comments is here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/725) A big part of the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Schnorr signatures BIP

2018-09-12 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
- Musig, by being M of M, is inherently prone to loss. - Having the senders of the G*x pubkey shares sign their messages with the associated private key share should be sufficient to prevent them from using wagner's algorithm to attack the combined key. Likewise, the G*k nonce fragments should

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Multisignature for bip-schnorr

2018-09-12 Thread nakagat via bitcoin-dev
Hi Jonas Thank you for your comment. I wrote a new text. https://gist.github.com/tnakagawa/e6cec9a89f698997dc58a09db541e1eb If you have time, please review this. 2018年9月7日(金) 17:09 Jonas Nick : > > Your multisignature writeup appears to be vulnerable to key cancellation > attacks because the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Schnorr signatures BIP

2018-09-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 4:34 PM Erik Aronesty wrote: > To answer points: > > - I switched to the medium article so that I could correct, edit and > improve things to make them more clear. > - I responded to feedback by modifying the protocol to make it work - not > by ignoring it. > To this

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Suggestion for a universal bitcoin value scale

2018-09-12 Thread Martin Damgaard via bitcoin-dev
A very good point. I have realized the immature nature of my suggestion due to this and a number of other good remarks, and will like to retract the initial suggestion. Thank you and all the best Martin Damgaard Fra: Karl-Johan Alm Sendt: 12. september 2018 08:14 Til:

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Schnorr signatures BIP

2018-09-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 5:20 PM Erik Aronesty wrote: > The security advantages of a redistributable threshold system are huge. If > a system isn't redistributable, then a single lost or compromised key results > in lost coins... meaning the system is essetntially unusable. > > I'm actually