[bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hello, I want to start a new BIP proposal aiming to tackle some of the energy efficiency issues w/ Bitcoin mining. Excuse my ignorance given this is my first time making a BIP proposal, but is there a specific format I need to follow? Do I just make a draft on my personal GitHub or need to attach t

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 9:39 AM Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Hello, I want to start a new BIP proposal aiming to tackle some of > the energy efficiency issues w/ Bitcoin mining. Excuse my ignorance > given this is my first time making a BIP proposal, but is there a > specific format I

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-05 Thread Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev
On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 8:48 PM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev wrote: > My concern was that the more complex scripts allow obfuscation of the Pay To > address This is no different from options available in P2SH, or from the obfuscation achieved by generating a new address for a pa

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Making the case for flag day activation of taproot

2021-03-05 Thread Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev
On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 7:32 PM Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev wrote: > So that leads me to believe here that the folks who oppose LOT=true > primarily have an issue with forced signaling, which personally I > don't care about as much, not the idea of committing to a UASF from > the get go. The

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, this isn't about the energy efficient argument in regards to renewables or mining devices but a better cryptography layer to get the most out of your hashing for validation. I do understand the arbitrariness of it, but do want to still propose a document. Do I use the Media Wiki format on GitHu

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Making the case for flag day activation of taproot

2021-03-05 Thread Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev
On Friday 05 March 2021 14:51:12 Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev wrote: > On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 7:32 PM Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev > > wrote: > > So that leads me to believe here that the folks who oppose LOT=true > > primarily have an issue with forced signaling, which personally I > > don't c

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Also in regards to my other email, I forgot to iterate that my cryptography proposal helps behind the efficiency category but also tackles problems such as NP-Completeness or Halting which is something the BTC network could be vulnerable to in the future. For sake of simplicity, I do want to do thi

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
Hi Andrew, Do you mean that you can reduce the cost of executing the cryptography at a comparable level of security? If so this will only have the effect of increasing the amount of it that is required to consume the same cost. https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Efficiency-Pa

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev
It is important to understand that it is critical for the work to be "useless" in order for the security model to be the same. If the work was useful it provides an avenue for actors to have nothing at stake when submitting a proof of work, since the marginal cost of block construction will be less

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Actually I mentioned a proof of space and time hybrid which is much different than staking. Sorry to draw for the confusion as PoC is more commonly used then PoST. There is a way to make PoC cryptographically compatible w/ Proof of Work as it normally stands: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, Eric. Chia's network is a bad example. They go after energy consumption in the wrong way entirely. True, it requires a comparable cost of hardware. I am trying to tackle cryptography in a way that goes much beyond that. Part of what I am doing includes lowering invalided proofs while trying to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
FYI it’s generally considered bad form repost a private thread, especially one you initiate. ... It’s typically more effective to generate some community support before actually submitting a BIP. Otherwise the process gets easily overwhelmed. This is likely why you aren’t getting a response. Y

[bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-05 Thread David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev
On the ##taproot-activation IRC channel, Russell O'Connor recently proposed a modification of the "Let's see what happens" activation proposal.[1] The idea received significant discussion and seemed acceptable to several people who could not previously agree on a proposal (although this doesn't nec

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-05 Thread Jeremy via bitcoin-dev
Thank you for resurfacing and collating this concept. At this time I don't see major issues with this course of action and think it represents not only a reasonable compromise between all different perspectives, but also gives us an opportunity to learn more about less 'slow' yet safe consensus up

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-05 Thread Andrew Chow via bitcoin-dev
I like this idea. In terms of actual parameters, I propose that we base this Speedy Trial off of BIP 8 with the following parameters: * start height = 681408 * timeout height = 695520 * lockinontimeout = False * signaling bit = 2 * threshold = 1815/2016 blocks (90%) For the extended lockin period