Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-10 Thread Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev
On Aug 11, 2015 12:11 AM, "Sergio Demian Lerner" wrote: > What I'm saying is that this ratio may have improved 20x since miners began using the TheBlueMatt relay network, so deteriorating the ratio 2x does not put miners in a unknown future, but in an future which is far better than the state they

Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-10 Thread Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Pieter Wuille wrote: > On Aug 7, 2015 11:19 PM, "Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev" < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > b. Reduce the block rate to a half (average 5 minute blocks) > > > > Suppose this is a one time hard fork. There no drastic

Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-10 Thread Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev
On Aug 7, 2015 11:19 PM, "Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev" < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > b. Reduce the block rate to a half (average 5 minute blocks) > > Suppose this is a one time hard fork. There no drastic technical problems with any of them: "SPV" mining and the relay n

Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-10 Thread Michael Ruddy via bitcoin-dev
Sergio, you raise an interesting question. I had seen your message to the list related to this idea before [1], so I went back to research what the viewpoints and conclusions were, if any. I didn't find anything too conclusive, but I did find some persuasive points by Dave Hudson [2] [3] [4] [5]

Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-07 Thread Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev
Then I would suggest working on payment channel networks. No decrease of the interblock time will ever compete with the approximately instant time it takes to validate a microchannel payment. On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Sergio Demian Lerner < sergio.d.ler...@gmail.com> wrote: > In some rare o

Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-07 Thread Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev
In some rare occasions in everyday life, what matters is seconds. Like when paying for parking in the car while some other cars are behind you in the line. You don't want them to get upset. I takes me tens of minutes to shop. But once you choose your merchandise and your payment starts processing,

Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-07 Thread Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev
Actually I gave a cached answer earlier which on further review may need updating. (Bad Mark!) I presume by "what's more likely to matter is seconds" you are referencing point of sale. As you mention yourself, lightning network or green address style payment escrow obviates the need for short inte

Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-07 Thread Natanael via bitcoin-dev
Den 7 aug 2015 23:37 skrev "Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev" < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>: > > Mark, > It took you 3 minutes to respond to my e-mail. And I responded to you 4 minutes later. If you had responded to me in 10 minutes, I would be of out the office and we wouldn't have

Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-07 Thread Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev
Mark, It took you 3 minutes to respond to my e-mail. And I responded to you 4 minutes later. If you had responded to me in 10 minutes, I would be of out the office and we wouldn't have this dialogue. So 5 minutes is a lot of time. Obviously this is not a technical response to the technical issues

Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-07 Thread Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev
Because halving the block interval comes with costs to SPV proofs (which double the number of headers) and mining centralization (doubles the selfish mining effect of latency) for the questionable benefit of a block expectation time that is still measured in minutes, not seconds. Doubling the bloc

[bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows...

2015-08-07 Thread Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev
What would you do? a. Double the block size b. Reduce the block rate to a half (average 5 minute blocks) Suppose this is a one time hard fork. There no drastic technical problems with any of them: "SPV" mining and the relay network has shown that block propagation is not an issue for such as smal