Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP-notatether-signedmessage

2022-08-05 Thread Ali Sherief via bitcoin-dev
That's actually a good idea. Perhaps I can move the algorithms (of BIP137) and stuff to Bitcoin Wiki, and then convert the BIP to strictly a "Taproot message signing BIP". Even though I already know the chances of such a BIP being numbered is low, at least the most important part will be

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP-notatether-signedmessage

2022-08-05 Thread Pavol Rusnak via bitcoin-dev
Hi Ali! Nice work. Since it seems this is a strict superset of BIP137, why not just focus on things that you are adding (Taproot) while saying your BIP is an expansion of BIP137? Your approach make it unnecessarily hard to figure out whether you are changing anything in handling of ECDSA

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP-notatether-signedmessage

2022-08-05 Thread Ali Sherief via bitcoin-dev
> IMO, there is no benefit to an additional message signing standard, especially > one that doesn't address the problems with the current standard or (at > present) BIP322. In that case, I propose the following: - I scrap the Taproot/Schorr and the two extensions inside the BIP, which will

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP-notatether-signedmessage (appendix)

2022-08-05 Thread Ali Sherief via bitcoin-dev
Also, I forgot to write in the previous message, that this BIP is not a standard - that's the reason I raised the N+1 problem in the first place. As mentioned previously, it's strictly limited to a reference manual - which could've been hosted anywhere else (such as my own website), but these

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP-notatether-signedmessage

2022-08-05 Thread Ali Sherief via bitcoin-dev
Yeah, I have a specific reason to advance this first (emphasis on the word first). I briefly mentioned in the BIP that BIP322 has superior message verification capabilities. This is true, but it suffers from the drawback that wallets are not using it. What they are using right now is a chaotic

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP-notatether-signedmessage

2022-08-05 Thread Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev
On Friday 05 August 2022 04:05:56 Ali Sherief wrote: > Yeah, I have a specific reason to advance this first (emphasis on the word > first). > > I briefly mentioned in the BIP that BIP322 has superior message > verification capabilities. This is true, but it suffers from the drawback > that wallets

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP-notatether-signedmessage

2022-08-04 Thread Peter (Coinkite Inc) via bitcoin-dev
Thanks for doing this, it looks great Ali! COLDCARD and other Coinkite products will conform to this spec, if we don't already. On Thu, Aug 04, 2022 at 12:18:56PM +, Ali Sherief wrote: > Hi, > > I have created a new BIP, called notatether-signedmessage. It can be viewed > at >

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP-notatether-signedmessage

2022-08-04 Thread Ali Sherief via bitcoin-dev
My sincere apologies, the link returns a 404 (trailing dot). The correct link to the BIP is https://github.com/ZenulAbidin/bips/blob/master/bip-notatether-signedmessage.mediawiki -Ali --- Original Message --- On Thursday, August 4th, 2022 at 3:18 PM, Ali Sherief wrote: > Hi, > > I