Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-22 Thread odinn
t> Sent: ‎23/‎03/‎2015 > 4:50 PM To: Thy Shizzle<mailto:thyshiz...@outlook.com> Cc: > bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a servi

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-22 Thread Thy Shizzle
search or otherwise. > > -----Original Message----- From: "odinn" > Sent: ‎23/‎03/‎2015 1:48 PM To: > "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" > Subject: Re: > [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network > disruption as a service"

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-22 Thread odinn
om: "odinn" > Sent: ‎23/‎03/‎2015 1:48 PM To: > "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" > Subject: Re: > [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network > disruption as a service" startups > > If you (e.g. Chainalysis) or an

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-22 Thread Thy Shizzle
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 If you (e.g. Chainalysis) or anyone else are doing surveillance on the network and gathering information for later use, and whether or not the ultim

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-22 Thread odinn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 If you (e.g. Chainalysis) or anyone else are doing surveillance on the network and gathering information for later use, and whether or not the ultimate purpose is to divulge it to other parties for compliance purposes, you can bet that ultimately the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-16 Thread Aaron Voisine
Thanks Jan, we added several additional checks for non-standard protocol responses, and also made the client revert to DNS seeding more quickly if it runs into trouble, so it's now more robust against sybil/DOS attack. I mentioned in the coindesk article that I didn't think what your nodes were doi

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-16 Thread Jan Møller
What we were trying to achieve was determining the flow of funds between countries by figuring out which country a transaction originates from. To do that with a certain accuracy you need many nodes. We chose a class C IP range as we knew that bitcoin core and others only connect to one node in any

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-13 Thread Justus Ranvier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/2015 05:24 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > Well they don't set NODE_NETWORK, so they don't claim to be > providing network services. But then I guess the Chainalysis nodes > could easily just clear that bit flag too. If a peer claims to provide netwo

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-13 Thread Mike Hearn
> > Don't SPV clients announce their intentions by the act of uploading a > filter? > Well they don't set NODE_NETWORK, so they don't claim to be providing network services. But then I guess the Chainalysis nodes could easily just clear that bit flag too. > What I'd actually like to see is for n

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-13 Thread Justus Ranvier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/2015 05:08 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > > That definition would include all SPV clients? Don't SPV clients announce their intentions by the act of uploading a filter? > I get what you are trying to do. It just seems extremely tricky. Certainly

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-13 Thread Mike Hearn
> > I'm not talking about keeping logs, I mean purporting to be a network > peer in order to gain a connection slot and then not behaving as one > (not relaying transactions) That definition would include all SPV clients? I get what you are trying to do. It just seems extremely tricky. -

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-13 Thread Justus Ranvier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/2015 04:48 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > That would be rather new and tricky legal territory. > > But even putting the legal issues to one side, there are > definitional issues. > > For instance if the Chainalysis nodes started following the > pro

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-13 Thread Mike Hearn
That would be rather new and tricky legal territory. But even putting the legal issues to one side, there are definitional issues. For instance if the Chainalysis nodes started following the protocol specs better and became just regular nodes that happen to keep logs, would that still be a violat

[Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups

2015-03-13 Thread Justus Ranvier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Given the recent news about Chainanalysis (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yvy6b/a_regulatory_compliance_service_is_sybil/), and other companies who are disrupting the Bitcoin network (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2we0d9/in_an_u