Re: [Bitcoin-development] Payment protocol and reliable Payment messages

2014-01-14 Thread Andreas Schildbach
On 01/13/2014 06:56 PM, Pieter Wuille wrote: I want to avoid the case where a transaction confirms, but the associated payment is not delivered. If there is a reasonable chance that this case occurs in normal operation, it means the payment transmission cannot be relied upon. I was thinking

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Payment protocol and reliable Payment messages

2014-01-14 Thread Andreas Schildbach
On 01/14/2014 11:45 AM, Mike Hearn wrote: Imagine you get a good offer (payment request) from a merchant. You would like to accept that offer, however the merchant has changed his mind. Usually if the merchant has not delivered, then at that point it's not a problem and he is

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Payment protocol and reliable Payment messages

2014-01-14 Thread Adam Back
He's probably thinking of fair advertising rules. There are regulations motivated by consumer protection/advertising standards (prevents merchant listing attractive prices in media, and then when consumer goes to pay the merchant says oh actually that doesnt include X and Y, and the minimum price

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Payment protocol and reliable Payment messages

2014-01-13 Thread Andreas Schildbach
Thanks for the explanation. On 01/13/2014 06:56 PM, Pieter Wuille wrote: As for you proposal, just be aware I'd like to use the payment protocol for face to face payments as well. That meant payment request via NFC or QR, payment message and payment confirmations via Bluetooth. I think it