[Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
Discomfort with Sourceforge For a while now people have been expressing concern about Sourceforge's continued hosting of the bitcoin-dev mailing list. Downloads were moved completely to bitcoin.org after the Sept 2014 hacking incident of the SF project account. The company's behavior and

Re: [Bitcoin-development] User vote in blocksize through fees

2015-06-14 Thread Benjamin
The size limit is an economic policy lever that needs to be transitioned -away- from software and software developers, to the free market. Exactly right. Bitcoin does not have a free market for fee though, and literally all the discussion so far has neglected some fundamental aspect of this, as

Re: [Bitcoin-development] User vote in blocksize through fees

2015-06-14 Thread Mats Henricson
Jeff, with all due respect, but I've seen you saying this a few times now, that this decision is oh so difficult and important. But this is not helpful. We all know that. Even I. Make a suggestion, or stay out of the debate! Mats On 06/14/2015 07:36 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote: The choice is very

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Scaling Bitcoin with Subchains

2015-06-14 Thread Martin Schwarz
Pieter, Am 13.06.2015 um 16:39 schrieb Pieter Wuille: We can reasonably assume that different people's wallet will tend to be distributed uniformly over several sidechains to hold their transactions (if they're not, there is no scaling benefit anyway...). That means that for an average

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Mining centralization pressure from non-uniform propagation speed

2015-06-14 Thread Jonas Nick
Hi all, it's a very useful approach to also model fees and you came up with an interesting scenario. Assuming that you meant that the groups are only connected with a single link, I've recreated the scenario with Gavin's simulation and got similar results. The group with the large hashrate does

Re: [Bitcoin-development] User vote in blocksize through fees

2015-06-14 Thread Jeff Garzik
Exactly -- both block size proponents and block size change conservatives seem to be glossing over this aspect - much to my dismay. Choosing the size limit is choosing the size of a scarce resource. By fiat. It is wrong to think that a technical consensus can choose what is best here. The

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Lexicographical Indexing of Transaction Inputs and Outputs

2015-06-14 Thread Kristov Atlas
Update: BIP 79 has been implemented in the latest release of Electrum, v2.3.2: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/blob/master/RELEASE-NOTES -Kristov On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Kristov Atlas kristovatlas.li...@gmail.com wrote: Since everyone's busy, I went ahead and made a pull

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Adam Back
It might be as well to keep the archive but disable new posts as otherwise we create bit-rot for people who linked to posts on sourceforge. The list is also archived on mail-archive though. https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/ Adam On 14 June 2015 at 22:55,

[Bitcoin-development] comments on BIP 100

2015-06-14 Thread Adam Back
Hi I made these comments elsewhere, but I think really we should be having these kind of conversations here rather than scattered around. These are about Jeff Garzik's outline draft BIP 100 I guess this is the latest draft: (One good thing about getting off SF would be finally JGarzik's emails

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread odinn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I fully agree and support this idea. Some recent discussion on social media which touches on this very subject of bitcoin and sourceforge (I include nmap and gittorrent as well because those seem relevant, imho)

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Davide Cavion
Hi, I just wanted to let everyone know that every email is also archived at bitcoin-development.narkive.com http://bitcoin-development.narkive.com/, where you can find everything since the beginning of the list (June 2011). That should answer to Andy’s concern about the older messages not

Re: [Bitcoin-development] [RFC] Canonical input and output ordering in transactions

2015-06-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Rusty Russell ru...@rustcorp.com.au wrote: Title: Canonical Input and Output Ordering Author: Rusty Russell ru...@rustcorp.com.au Discussions-To: Bitcoin Dev bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Status: Draft Type: Standards Track Created: 2015-06-06

Re: [Bitcoin-development] [RFC] Canonical input and output ordering in transactions

2015-06-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Danny Thorpe danny.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Recommending sorting of the inputs and outputs as a best practice is fine (and better than random, IMO), but not as part of IsStandard() or consensus rules. There are cases where the order of the inputs and outputs is

[Bitcoin-development] questions about bitcoin-XT code fork non-consensus hard-fork

2015-06-14 Thread Adam Back
Mike Hearn m...@plan99.net wrote: Which is why there will soon be a fork that does it. I understand why you would be keen to scale bitcoin, everyone here is. But as you seem to be saying that you will do a unilateral hard-fork, and fork the code-base simultaneously, probably a number of people

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Warren Togami Jr. wtog...@gmail.com wrote: From the perspective of our community, for bitcoin-dev it seems like a great fit. Why? While they are interested in supporting general open source development, the LF has literally zero stake in this. In addition to

Re: [Bitcoin-development] comments on BIP 100

2015-06-14 Thread Jeff Garzik
Adding - in re pay-to-FOO - these schemes are inherently short term, such that it is near-impossible for the market to plan for what happens in 12+ months. On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Jeff Garzik jgar...@bitpay.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org