Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Wladimir
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Roy Badami wrote: > Oh, I see - so it was. It wasn't announced here though - is there > some other list I need to be on, too? It would be nice if > announcements like this were posted to a mailing list as well as > bitcointalk.org (is there a bitcoin-announce li

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Roy Badami
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 02:55:02PM +, Drak wrote: > On 9 December 2013 13:52, Roy Badami wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:39:51PM +, Drak wrote: > > > Someone needs to update the bitcoin.org website, it still points > > downloads > > > to 0.8.5 > > > > Perhaps because 0.8.6 hasn'

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread Rick Wesson
+1 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Gavin Andresen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Ryan Carboni wrote: > >> The exchanges that are kept track of could be hard coded into Bitcoin or >> the miner could choose, how this works is not something I'm personally >> focused on. >> >> > That is l

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread kjj
Ryan Carboni wrote: Bitcoin lacks a Central Bank. This is a feature, not a bug. Also, this is offtopic. Political debate is thataway ->. bitcoin-development is for development and technical discussion. -- Sponsored

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread Ryan Carboni
You're just closed minded. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Ryan Carboni wrote: > > It is not a violation of the trust of those holding the currency. Many > > people bought Bitcoin in the hopes that it's value in the relation of > other > > c

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread Ryan Carboni
Bitcoin is made of many parts, yes, but not all parts were developed simultaneously. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Gavin Andresen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Ryan Carboni wrote: > >> The exchanges that are kept track of could be hard coded into Bitcoin or >> the miner could choos

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread Allen Piscitello
I've got a better idea. Ben Bernake needs a new job. Let's just let him set the block reward. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Jameson Lopp wrote: > To piggyback on Jeff, > > Any proposal that is going to add reliance upon data from third parties > outside of the Bitcoin network itself is like

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread Jameson Lopp
To piggyback on Jeff, Any proposal that is going to add reliance upon data from third parties outside of the Bitcoin network itself is likely going to be rejected outright. This opens far too many potential vulnerabilities. "The exchanges that are kept track of could be hard coded into Bitcoin or

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread Mike Caldwell
For what it's worth, once upon a time I pushed this agenda on Bitcointalk. I'd say early 2011 or so. The response I got was so strong and unanimous in favor of this point being absolutely non-negotiable that if the money supply were anything other than fixed, Bitcoin may as well be pretend e-d

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Ryan Carboni wrote: > It is not a violation of the trust of those holding the currency. Many > people bought Bitcoin in the hopes that it's value in the relation of other > currencies will increase, not because there's a fixed money supply. The > majority of people

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread Ryan Carboni
It is not a violation of the trust of those holding the currency. Many people bought Bitcoin in the hopes that it's value in the relation of other currencies will increase, not because there's a fixed money supply. The majority of people using Bitcoin as a currency in exchange for real goods are us

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread Gavin Andresen
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Ryan Carboni wrote: > The exchanges that are kept track of could be hard coded into Bitcoin or > the miner could choose, how this works is not something I'm personally > focused on. > > That is like saying "We need a way to travel around the world quickly. There w

[Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

2013-12-09 Thread Ryan Carboni
This is no doubt probably a very controversial Bitcoin Improvement Proposal and is also a very rough draft of one. Bitcoin lacks a Central Bank. This is good and bad. A central bank benefits those with political connections. But Bitcoin lacks price stability, this generates menu costs, and incenti

[Bitcoin-development] [Patch] bitcoin for Fedora >= 20

2013-12-09 Thread Harald Hoyer
Interesting post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=364877.0 Would be worth a try :-) I'd like to see bitcoin running on Fedora >= 20 out of the box. -- Sponsored by Intel(R) XDK Develop, test and display web and

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Drak wrote: > looking sticky posts at bitcointalk like this one: > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=364353.0. Was that an official > announcement? Yes. -- Jeff Garzik Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Wladimir
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Drak wrote: > actly the point and the moment they are publicly available you cannot stop > people talking about it or noticing it, or posting official looking sticky > posts at bitcointalk like this one: > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=364353.0. Was that

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Drak
On 9 December 2013 15:35, Wladimir wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Drak wrote: > >> >> IMO, to avoid that, no files should be placed online unless they are the >> official release. >> > > They *are* the official release as soon as they're uploaded. We may wait > for some extra gitian b

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Wladimir
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Drak wrote: > > IMO, to avoid that, no files should be placed online unless they are the > official release. > They *are* the official release as soon as they're uploaded. We may wait for some extra gitian builds to be more confident and make the announcement on t

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Drak wrote: > Why would it be made available for download at sourceforge.net if it's not > actually released? The files are available here: Because it takes time to put the files up, propagate to mirrors, check by multiple people that the downloads work an the sign

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Drak
On 9 December 2013 15:07, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Drak wrote: > > It was released and it's all over bitcointalk/reddit > > It has not been released. It's queued for announcement. We were > waiting for another independant gitian build before sending out the > anno

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Drak wrote: > It was released and it's all over bitcointalk/reddit It has not been released. It's queued for announcement. We were waiting for another independant gitian build before sending out the announcement. ---

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Drak
On 9 December 2013 13:52, Roy Badami wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:39:51PM +, Drak wrote: > > Someone needs to update the bitcoin.org website, it still points > downloads > > to 0.8.5 > > Perhaps because 0.8.6 hasn't been released yet? Or did I miss the > announcement? I think it ma

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Roy Badami
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:39:51PM +, Drak wrote: > Someone needs to update the bitcoin.org website, it still points downloads > to 0.8.5 Perhaps because 0.8.6 hasn't been released yet? Or did I miss the announcement? I think it makes sense that release candidates are not promoted on bitcoi

Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0.8.6 release candidate 1

2013-12-09 Thread Drak
Someone needs to update the bitcoin.org website, it still points downloads to 0.8.5 -- Sponsored by Intel(R) XDK Develop, test and display web and hybrid apps with a single code base. Download it for free now! http://pubad

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Dedicated server for bitcoin.org, your thoughts?

2013-12-09 Thread Roy Badami
> The bitcoin.org domain is controlled by me, Sirius, and an anonymous > person. Control will not be lost if Sirius becomes unavailable. I know this will be a controversial viewpoint in some quarters, but I'm not a fan of anonymity, or of pseudonyms. As far as I know (please correct me if I'm wro