Re: [Bitcoin-development] secure assigned bitcoin address directory

2014-04-01 Thread Chris D'Costa
On 31 Mar 2014, at 20:57, Roy Badami wrote: Is namecoin actively maintained these days? That's a very good quest. It was one of the reasons why we ruled out namecoin, but not the only one. Although in principle it is a similar concept to namecoin + PGP, in practice at least for our device,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] secure assigned bitcoin address directory

2014-04-01 Thread Jeff Garzik
Re-reading this, even with the most recent message, is still isn't clear _precisely_ how your technology works, or why it is better than namecoin. User profiles (and distributed ledgers) need to reflect the latest updates, and a stream of updates of over time is precisely what bitcoin technology

Re: [Bitcoin-development] secure assigned bitcoin address directory

2014-04-01 Thread Chris D'Costa
The code will be available as soon as we are ready, and apologies again for it not being a more meaningful conversation - I did say I hesitated about posting it ;) I think it is fair to say that we have not assumed anything about other technologies, without asking if they can answer all (not

Re: [Bitcoin-development] secure assigned bitcoin address directory

2014-04-01 Thread Daryl Banttari
I posted some code on Reddit a while back around adding a simple x509 digital signature to a Bitcoin address URL, since you could gain the benefit of an x.509 authenticated Bitcoin address without having to do a full BIP70 implementation. It's not WoT, but x509, for all its flaws, works very well

[Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Pieter Wuille
Hi all, I understand this is a controversial proposal, but bear with me please. I believe we cannot accept the current subsidy schedule anymore, so I wrote a small draft BIP with a proposal to turn Bitcoin into a limited-supply currency. Dogecoin has already shown how easy such changes are, so I

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Whitlock
The creation date in your BIP header has the wrong format. It should be 01-04-2014, per BIP 1. :-) On Tuesday, 1 April 2014, at 9:00 pm, Pieter Wuille wrote: Hi all, I understand this is a controversial proposal, but bear with me please. I believe we cannot accept the current subsidy

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Pieter Wuille pieter.wui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I understand this is a controversial proposal, but bear with me please. I believe we cannot accept the current subsidy schedule anymore, so I wrote a small draft BIP with a proposal to turn Bitcoin into a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Mike Hearn
This proposal will destroy Bitcoin. I would expect nothing less coming from a Google employee. -- ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Luke-Jr
On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:00:07 PM Pieter Wuille wrote: Hi all, I understand this is a controversial proposal, but bear with me please. I believe we cannot accept the current subsidy schedule anymore, so I wrote a small draft BIP with a proposal to turn Bitcoin into a limited-supply

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Benjamin Cordes
luke, you might enjoy the book Topos of Music. It's a complete mathematical music theory by a student of Grothendieck. He advanced Euler's theories of harmony based on advanced category theory. I'm sure there are many applications to Bitcoin. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Luke-Jr

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Luke-Jr
Please, *music* is obsolete, but inline replies *are not*! On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:16:42 PM Benjamin Cordes wrote: luke, you might enjoy the book Topos of Music. It's a complete mathematical music theory by a student of Grothendieck. He advanced Euler's theories of harmony based on

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Corallo
I disagree with this proposal both in spirit and in practice. We all know satoshi was the best programmer like no one ever was. Clearly he intended this monetary supply from the beginning, who are we but mere mortals to go against satoshi's will? Also, should we really do this with a soft fork

[Bitcoin-development] Okay, time to bring up bitcoin/bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Kevin
I've sat on this for some time after starting this. I have forked this from bitcoin core and am working on a secure tax mode for bitcoin. It is written in Autoit. I know I know, scripting language alert! I would like people to look at: http://www.githubb.com/bitcoin/bitcoin Look at it, and

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Peter Todd
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 09:00:07PM +0200, Pieter Wuille wrote: Hi all, I understand this is a controversial proposal, but bear with me please. I believe we cannot accept the current subsidy schedule anymore, so I wrote a small draft BIP with a proposal to turn Bitcoin into a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Pieter Wuille
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Peter Todd p...@petertodd.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 09:00:07PM +0200, Pieter Wuille wrote: The text can be found here: https://gist.github.com/sipa/9920696 What's interesting about this bug is we could also fix the problem - the economic shock - by

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Pieter Wuille
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Matt Whitlock b...@mattwhitlock.name wrote: The creation date in your BIP header has the wrong format. It should be 01-04-2014, per BIP 1. Thanks - fixed! -- Pieter --

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Jorge Timón
On 4/1/14, Matt Corallo bitcoin-l...@bluematt.me wrote: Also, should we really do this with a soft fork when we can take this opportunity to redesign the whole system with a hard fork? This is out chance to switch to a whole new script engine! +1 The hard fork also forces the whole community

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Pieter Wuille pieter.wui...@gmail.com wrote: In case there are no further objections (excluding from people who disagree with me), I'd like to request a BIP number for this. Any number is fine, I guess, as long as it's finite. With ten people commenting on this

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Daryl Banttari
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: But owing to a rather large bribe (or at least not less large than any other offered by competing parties) I hereby assign BIP 42 for this proposal. What about BIP 420? Everyone knows if you add zero it's still the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Corallo
I move to reclaim bip 42 as reserved for a bip containing either a reference to musical dolphins or towels in the name. Matt On April 1, 2014 5:47:34 PM EDT, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Pieter Wuille pieter.wui...@gmail.com wrote: In case there are

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Daryl Banttari dbantt...@gmail.com wrote: What about BIP 420? Everyone knows if you add zero it's still the same number. Similarly, everyone knows if you multiply both sides by zero, the result is always a true statement. -- Jeff Garzik Bitcoin core developer

Re: [Bitcoin-development] secure assigned bitcoin address directory

2014-04-01 Thread Chris D'Costa
Hi Daryl I think the two issues with this are 1) pay to addresses are not fixed - ie you can have a different address for each transaction (which is why BIP70 is necessary to allow per transaction addresses via https.) 2) unless you are already aware of the public key of the signature, you do

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Pieter Wuille
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Pieter Wuille pieter.wui...@gmail.com wrote: But owing to a rather large bribe (or at least not less large than any other offered by competing parties) I hereby assign BIP 42 for this

Re: [Bitcoin-development] secure assigned bitcoin address directory

2014-04-01 Thread Daryl Banttari
Chris, Thank you for taking the time to look at my proposal. 1) pay to addresses are not fixed - ie you can have a different address for each transaction (which is why BIP70 is necessary to allow per transaction addresses via https.) This is certainly true for a published address; however a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] secure assigned bitcoin address directory

2014-04-01 Thread Chris D'Costa
Hi Daryl My proposal leverages the existing SSL key system Ok I thought you were suggesting wrapping the URL in an additional PGP signature. -- ___ Bitcoin-development