Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP72 amendment proposal

2014-09-15 Thread Andreas Schildbach
I agree that this would be another way of achieving the same goal. I'd be fine with that if there is a majority. However, I also see downsides of this approach: 1. It's more complicated. It touches more BIPs, and although signing is terribly difficult its still more difficult than just hashing.

[Bitcoin-development] how

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Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP72 amendment proposal

2014-09-15 Thread Andreas Schildbach
On 09/12/2014 08:43 PM, Aaron Voisine wrote: Should BIP72 require that signed payment requests be from the same domain, Although it currently does not seem to be used that way, I'd like to see merchants sign their payment requests but store them on their payment processors server. Currently if

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Thomas Zander
On Sunday 14. September 2014 08.28.27 Peter Todd wrote: Do we have any evidence Satoshi ever even had access to that key? Did he ever use PGP at all for anything? Any and all PGP related howtos will tell you that you should not trust or sign a formerly-untrusted PGP (or GPG for that matter)

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 15 September 2014 09:23, Thomas Zander tho...@thomaszander.se wrote: On Sunday 14. September 2014 08.28.27 Peter Todd wrote: Do we have any evidence Satoshi ever even had access to that key? Did he ever use PGP at all for anything? Any and all PGP related howtos will tell you that you

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:23 AM, Thomas Zander tho...@thomaszander.se wrote: Any and all PGP related howtos will tell you that you should not trust or sign a formerly-untrusted PGP (or GPG for that matter) key without seeing that person in real life, verifying their identity etc. Such

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Brian Hoffman
I would agree that the in person aspect of the WoT is frustrating, but to dismiss this as geek wanking is the pot calling the kettle. The value of in person vetting of identity is undeniable. Just because your risk acceptance is difference doesn't make it wanking. Please go see if you can get

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Jeff Garzik
It applies to OP, bitcoin community development and Satoshi. value of in person vetting of identity is undeniable... no it is quite deniable. Satoshi is the quintessential example. We value brain output, code. The real world identity is irrelevant to whether or not bitcoin continues to

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Venzen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Funny that you should describe WoT that way. According to some psycho-analysts the act of making love to a partner is actually a realization of our subconscious desire to make love to ourselves. So, in this sense, WoT geeks are indeed masturbating,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Brian Hoffman
In the context of Bitcoin I will concede that perhaps it holds true for now. I also never said the actual credential you receive from a government agency is trustable. I completely agree that they are forgeable and not necessarily reliable. That was not my point. I was referring to the vetting

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread ThomasZander.se
‎The reason it is in fact wanking is because pgp tried to solve a problem that can't be solved. It tried to provide distributed trust to a system of identity, while still depending on the local government (i.e centralized) for the upstream ID... It's a marriage that has no benefit. What we

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Thomas Zander
On Monday 15. September 2014 11.51.35 Matt Whitlock wrote: If you were merely attaching your public key to them, then the email server could have been systematically replacing your public key with some other public key, The beauty of publicly archived mailinglists make it impossible to get

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Matt Whitlock b...@mattwhitlock.name wrote: On Monday, 15 September 2014, at 5:10 pm, Thomas Zander wrote: So for instance I start including a bitcoin public key in my email signature. I don't sign the emails or anything like that, just to establish that

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Matt Whitlock
On Monday, 15 September 2014, at 5:10 pm, Thomas Zander wrote: So for instance I start including a bitcoin public key in my email signature. I don't sign the emails or anything like that, just to establish that everyone has my public key many times in their email archives. Then when I need

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Peter Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15 September 2014 17:10:14 BST, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: If the server could replace the public key, it could replace the signature in all the same places. Please, can this stuff move to another list? It's offtopic. +1 My

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?

2014-09-15 Thread Justus Ranvier
On 09/15/2014 03:08 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: Such guidelines are a perfect example of why PGP WoT is useless and stupid geek wanking. A person's behavioural signature is what is relevant. We know how Satoshi coded and wrote. It was the online Satoshi with which we interacted. The online