[Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Ferdinando M. Ametrano ferdinando.ametr...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 25, 2014 9:19 PM, Gavin Andresen gavinandre...@gmail.com wrote: We had a halving, and it was a non-event. Is there some reason to believe next time will be different? In november 2008

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Alex Mizrahi
This thread is, in my opinion, a waste of time. It's yet again another perennial bikeshedding proposal brought up many times since at least 2011, suggesting random changes for non-existing(/not-yet-existing) issues. There is a lot more complexity to the system than the subsidy schedule.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Jérémie Dubois-Lacoste
Answering today's concerns with yesterday's facts is dangerous, especially with bitcoin on a 4 years period. I personally consider all arguments like we went through once, and nothing special. So no disturbance worthy of discussion to expect baseless. Also, starting a topic with mentions of death

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Ferdinando M. Ametrano
In november 2008 bitcoin was a much younger ecosystem, Or very old, indeed, if you are using unsigned arithmetic. [...] :-) I meant 2012, of course, but loved your wit and the halving happened during a quite stable positive price trend Hardly,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Neil
Economically a halving is almost the same as a halving in price (as fees take up more of the pie, less so). Coincidentally the price has halved since early July to mid-October, and we've not even seen difficulty fall yet. I don't think there's much to see here. Neil

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Jérémie Dubois-Lacoste jeremie...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that a topic was brought up many times since a long time, does not mean it is not relevant. I am not saying that it is not relevant, I'm saying the discussion is pointless: No new information has

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Ferdinando M. Ametrano
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Neil kyuupic...@gmail.com wrote: Economically a halving is almost the same as a halving in price (as fees take up more of the pie, less so). Coincidentally the price has halved since early July to mid-October, and we've not even seen difficulty fall yet.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Christophe Biocca
The fact that it is known in advance is no counter argument to me. But it does change miner behaviour in pretty significant ways. Unlike difficulty forecasting, which seems near impossible to do accurately, miners can plan to purchase less hardware as they approach the revenue drop. You can do

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Thomas Zander
On Tuesday 28. October 2014 22.44.50 Ferdinando M. Ametrano wrote: It amazes me that basic economic considerations seems completely lost here, especially when it comes to mining. Please don't confuse people dismissing your thoughts with dismissing the basic economic considerations. The fact of

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Ferdinando M. Ametrano
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Thomas Zander tho...@thomaszander.se wrote: you didn't read the archives where these ideas have been brought forward and discussed, a consensus was reached. (it wasn't so basic afterall) The fact that people don't want to repeat the discussion just for your

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: death by halving

2014-10-28 Thread Ferdinando M. Ametrano
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: As of now the cost per block is probably already about 100USD, probably in the 50-150USD. This is wildly at odds with reality. I don't mean to insult, but please understand that every post you make here consumes