Re: [Bitcoin-development] Suggestion: allow receivers to pay optional fee for transactions without fees
You can create a transaction which spends the output to yourself, attaching a fee to that transaction. In order for miners to grab the transaction fee on that transaction, they would have to also mine the original transaction. Likely, you'd have to do this by hand, but software could be written to simplify doing it. No protocol changes needed. Ben On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Dâniel Fraga frag...@gmail.com wrote: Someone sent me a very small donation (0.00121 BTC) without paying fees. I don't know who sent it and I know this type of transaction are usually rejected by miners. Take a look at it below: https://imageshack.com/i/ngv5g8j Even with the a low probability of confirmation, I was hoping that after a few days it could be included in a block, but Blockchain.info simply removed it (I know the sender sent from a Blockchain.info wallet, because he added a note): https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/3cde47ee3979a46b36bd61bdb0caf9c11dea58ac99f17fb17b95728766de70e0 As you can see now it shows as Transaction not found. My suggestion is: it would be nice if the receiver could have a chance to pay the fee when the sender didn't pay any fee. For example, I could pay a fee of 0.0001 BTC and receive 0.00121 BTC. In the end I'd have 0.00111 BTC. Better than nothing. Would it be technically possible to do that or it would be too much trouble to change the protocol to allow the receiver to pay an optional fee? Ps: I'm not a programmer, but if the receiver could optionally attach some fee to the transaction, even if he/she didn't sent the transaction, this could be solved. Bitcoin-qt could even warn the receiver he received a transaction without fee and if he wants faster confirmation he could pay a fee. Ps2: if this is a silly suggestion, just ignore it. I tried on Bitcointalk, but nobody answered. -- Linux 3.12.0: One Giant Leap for Frogkind http://www.youtube.com/DanielFragaBR http://mcxnow.com Bitcoin: 12H6661yoLDUZaYPdah6urZS5WiXwTAUgL -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Suggestion: allow receivers to pay optional fee for transactions without fees
This is good news! Thank you very much Ben for the answer. On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:52:39 -0800 Ben Davenport bendavenp...@gmail.com wrote: You can create a transaction which spends the output to yourself, attaching a fee to that transaction. In order for miners to grab the transaction fee on that transaction, they would have to also mine the original transaction. Likely, you'd have to do this by hand, but software could be written to simplify doing it. No protocol changes needed. Ben On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Dâniel Fraga frag...@gmail.com wrote: Someone sent me a very small donation (0.00121 BTC) without paying fees. I don't know who sent it and I know this type of transaction are usually rejected by miners. Take a look at it below: https://imageshack.com/i/ngv5g8j Even with the a low probability of confirmation, I was hoping that after a few days it could be included in a block, but Blockchain.info simply removed it (I know the sender sent from a Blockchain.info wallet, because he added a note): https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/3cde47ee3979a46b36bd61bdb0caf9c11dea58ac99f17fb17b95728766de70e0 As you can see now it shows as Transaction not found. My suggestion is: it would be nice if the receiver could have a chance to pay the fee when the sender didn't pay any fee. For example, I could pay a fee of 0.0001 BTC and receive 0.00121 BTC. In the end I'd have 0.00111 BTC. Better than nothing. Would it be technically possible to do that or it would be too much trouble to change the protocol to allow the receiver to pay an optional fee? Ps: I'm not a programmer, but if the receiver could optionally attach some fee to the transaction, even if he/she didn't sent the transaction, this could be solved. Bitcoin-qt could even warn the receiver he received a transaction without fee and if he wants faster confirmation he could pay a fee. Ps2: if this is a silly suggestion, just ignore it. I tried on Bitcointalk, but nobody answered. -- Linux 3.12.0: One Giant Leap for Frogkind http://www.youtube.com/DanielFragaBR http://mcxnow.com Bitcoin: 12H6661yoLDUZaYPdah6urZS5WiXwTAUgL -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- Linux 3.12.0: One Giant Leap for Frogkind http://www.youtube.com/DanielFragaBR http://mcxnow.com Bitcoin: 12H6661yoLDUZaYPdah6urZS5WiXwTAUgL -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Suggestion: allow receivers to pay optional fee for transactions without fees
To clarify, there are proposals to make miners recognize this situation and account for it, only eligius is running it at the moment IIRC: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/8390/are-there-any-pools-or-large-miners-running-child-pays-for-parent-patch Right now if you were to try it likely wouldn't result in inclusion. But this is on the radar, and I suspect it'll eventually get merged into mainline. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Dâniel Fraga frag...@gmail.com wrote: This is good news! Thank you very much Ben for the answer. On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:52:39 -0800 Ben Davenport bendavenp...@gmail.com wrote: You can create a transaction which spends the output to yourself, attaching a fee to that transaction. In order for miners to grab the transaction fee on that transaction, they would have to also mine the original transaction. Likely, you'd have to do this by hand, but software could be written to simplify doing it. No protocol changes needed. Ben On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Dâniel Fraga frag...@gmail.com wrote: Someone sent me a very small donation (0.00121 BTC) without paying fees. I don't know who sent it and I know this type of transaction are usually rejected by miners. Take a look at it below: https://imageshack.com/i/ngv5g8j Even with the a low probability of confirmation, I was hoping that after a few days it could be included in a block, but Blockchain.info simply removed it (I know the sender sent from a Blockchain.info wallet, because he added a note): https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/3cde47ee3979a46b36bd61bdb0caf9c11dea58ac99f17fb17b95728766de70e0 As you can see now it shows as Transaction not found. My suggestion is: it would be nice if the receiver could have a chance to pay the fee when the sender didn't pay any fee. For example, I could pay a fee of 0.0001 BTC and receive 0.00121 BTC. In the end I'd have 0.00111 BTC. Better than nothing. Would it be technically possible to do that or it would be too much trouble to change the protocol to allow the receiver to pay an optional fee? Ps: I'm not a programmer, but if the receiver could optionally attach some fee to the transaction, even if he/she didn't sent the transaction, this could be solved. Bitcoin-qt could even warn the receiver he received a transaction without fee and if he wants faster confirmation he could pay a fee. Ps2: if this is a silly suggestion, just ignore it. I tried on Bitcointalk, but nobody answered. -- Linux 3.12.0: One Giant Leap for Frogkind http://www.youtube.com/DanielFragaBR http://mcxnow.com Bitcoin: 12H6661yoLDUZaYPdah6urZS5WiXwTAUgL -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- Linux 3.12.0: One Giant Leap for Frogkind http://www.youtube.com/DanielFragaBR http://mcxnow.com Bitcoin: 12H6661yoLDUZaYPdah6urZS5WiXwTAUgL -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Suggestion: allow receivers to pay optional fee for transactions without fees
On Friday, January 17, 2014 2:39:31 AM Christophe Biocca wrote: To clarify, there are proposals to make miners recognize this situation and account for it, only eligius is running it at the moment IIRC: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/8390/are-there-any-pools-or-larg e-miners-running-child-pays-for-parent-patch Right now if you were to try it likely wouldn't result in inclusion. But this is on the radar, and I suspect it'll eventually get merged into mainline. If you did it and relayed directly to Eligius, it'd probably get mined.. the hard part is creating the transaction - once that's done it's smooth sailing ;) Side note: mining nodes should *not* be running mainline. In fact, they should be setting up their own customised transaction policies. -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
