Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-16 Thread justusranvier
On 2015-06-16 07:55, Aaron Voisine wrote: Suppose a billion mobile phones wanted to run SPV wallets tomorrow. Who would provide the nodes they would need connect to? The SPV wallet author would if they wanted their wallet to function. How will the SPV wallet users pay for this service?

Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-16 Thread Aaron Voisine
Suppose a billion mobile phones wanted to run SPV wallets tomorrow. Who would provide the nodes they would need connect to? The SPV wallet author would if they wanted their wallet to function. Aaron Voisine co-founder and CEO breadwallet.com On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:28 PM,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-15 Thread Raystonn
Would SPV wallets have to pay to connect to the network too? The cost to compute and deliver the requested data will be pushed to the users of that node. This is the same way all costs, fees, and taxes of any business are always paid by its customers. The Bitcoin Network will not thrive in a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-15 Thread justusranvier
On 2015-06-16 03:49, Kevin Greene wrote: ​Hah, fair enough, there is no such thing as the right way to do anything. But I still think punishing users who use SPV wallets is ​a less-than-ideal way to incentive people to run full nodes. Right now SPV is the best way that exists for mobile

Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-15 Thread Kevin Greene
writing code to implement what was described in the liked post, but I'm sure he will reply to you since he's subscribed to this mailing list. From: sick...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:18 PM To: Raystonn . Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin

Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-15 Thread Kevin Greene
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Luke Dashjr l...@dashjr.org wrote: On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 3:30:44 AM Kevin Greene wrote: Would SPV wallets have to pay to connect to the network too? From the user's perspective, it would be somewhat upsetting (and confusing) to see your balance slowly

Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-15 Thread Luke Dashjr
On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 3:30:44 AM Kevin Greene wrote: Would SPV wallets have to pay to connect to the network too? From the user's perspective, it would be somewhat upsetting (and confusing) to see your balance slowly draining every time you open your wallet app. It would also tie up

Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-15 Thread Kevin Greene
Just thinking off the top of my head here: What if SPV wallets were exempt from the fee? Only full nodes would pay other full nodes when initially sync'ing the blockchain. Then as long as you keep your full node running for a long period of time, you'll eventually make back the cost you paid to

Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-15 Thread Potter QQ
No,Bitcoin 发自我的 iPhone 在 2015年6月16日,13:28,justusranv...@riseup.net 写道: On 2015-06-16 03:49, Kevin Greene wrote: ​Hah, fair enough, there is no such thing as the right way to do anything. But I still think punishing users who use SPV wallets is ​a less-than-ideal way to incentive people

[Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-15 Thread Raystonn .
I have been toying with an idea and figured I'd run it by everyone here before investing further time in it. The goal here is to make it sustainable, and perhaps profitable, to run full nodes on the Bitcoin Network in the long term. - Nodes can participate in a market wherein they are paid by