Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Hearn
Modern Java versions let you bundle the app with a stripped down JVM. I don't know if Jim does that, but I think it's an obvious step towards making MultiBit friendlier and easier to use. BTW I believe most secure browsers (Chrome, Firefox) have banned the applet plugin or severely restrained it

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Daniel F
on 07/09/2013 06:56 AM Jim said the following: + it will bump up the MultiBit download from about 11MB to 30-40MB (I think). This drops the maximum copies of MultiBit the multibit.org server can deliver per day from around 90,000 to 30,000ish. The multibit.org server maxes out at 1 TB of

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Daniel F nanot...@gmail.com wrote: on 07/09/2013 06:56 AM Jim said the following: + it will bump up the MultiBit download from about 11MB to 30-40MB (I think). This drops the maximum copies of MultiBit the multibit.org server can deliver per day from around

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Jim
For those interested in these things the multibit.org server is a dedicated server hosted by the German company http://www.server4you.net. It is physically located in the delightful city of Strasbourg, just on the French side of the French German border. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 03:28 PM,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Daniel F
on 07/09/2013 10:28 AM Mike Hearn said the following: SourceForge has a horrible UI and blocks some countries. It also exposes us to a large and potentially hackable mirror network. Whilst we're not bandwidth constrained on our own servers, let's try and keep using them. the point was just

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Hearn
That's true - we could serve new users off our own servers and auto updates off SF.net mirrors, potentially. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Daniel F nanot...@gmail.com wrote: on 07/09/2013 10:28 AM Mike Hearn said the following: SourceForge has a horrible UI and blocks some countries. It

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Nick Simpson
What about something like Cloudflare? Transparent to most and it'd help with your bandwidth issues. Mike Hearn m...@plan99.net wrote: That's true - we could serve new users off our own servers and auto updates off SF.net mirrors, potentially. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Daniel F

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Nick Simpson
Not any more than sourceforge or github.. None of these solutions are replacements, but rather only supplements to self hosted files. Jeff Garzik jgar...@bitpay.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Nick Simpson n...@mynicknet.com wrote: What about something like Cloudflare? Transparent

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On 07/09/2013 08:32 AM, Nick Simpson wrote: What about something like Cloudflare? Transparent to most and it'd help with your bandwidth issues. By way of endorsement, at the GNU Radio Project we switched to CloudFlare's free service tier a few months ago. We host on AWS EC2 our own web

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Hearn
That's good to know. Still, at the moment we'd need to dramatically increase the download size and increase Bitcoin usage by 10x to hit our limits. It'd be a good problem to have. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Johnathan Corgan johnat...@corganlabs.comwrote: On 07/09/2013 08:32 AM, Nick

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Andreas Petersson
It particulary worries me that a lot of sites hand over their SSL private keys to Cloudflare, and they are located in prism land. Cloudflare is rapidly becoming a bitcoin community SPOF. -- See everything from the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-08 Thread Robert Backhaus
But... Multibit is Java. Java's security problems has made it an instant uninstall item on windows PCs for about a year now. Java exploits are a dime a dozen. Yes, you can reduce some of the problems by manually disabling the browser plugin, but how many users will do that? Recommending a fast

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-08 Thread Caleb James DeLisle
Java (Applet) security is indeed abysmal but lets compare apples to apples. With an applet some random guy with a website makes up some Java code and your browser automatically executes it. With Multibit you're only executing highly trusted code (so trusted that it handles your money). There has

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-30 Thread Peter Todd
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:09:16AM +, John Dillon wrote: true transaction origins. Which reminds me, again, we need node-to-node connections to be encrypted to at least protect against network-wide passive sniffiing. Agreed. Speaking of, I may have missed it but as far as I can tell

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-30 Thread Jim
Yeah email jim' was never going to work so I have bumped up MultiBit support (a bit) by: + having a dedicated Support page on the website https://multibit.org/support.html It has fixes and support notes for the most common gotchas. + the in-app help also now has a 'Support' section with

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-30 Thread Gary Rowe
I've beefed up the supporting documentation for the website to make it more accessible for developers who wish to contribute. It's a Java application serving HTML. It can be found here: https://github.com/jim618/multibit-website On 30 June 2013 16:19, Jim jim...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: Yeah

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-28 Thread Mike Hearn
Arguments in favor of retaining Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind default: * More field experience, code review and testing on desktop than others I'm hoping that if we start promoting alternative wallets their dev communities will get larger. Most bitcoinj code is peer reviewed, but not to the same extent

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-28 Thread John Dillon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Mike Hearn m...@plan99.net wrote: I see some of the the other things that were concerning for me at the time are still uncorrected though, e.g. no proxy support (so users can't follow our recommended best

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-28 Thread Mike Hearn
I suspect what you saw is mining nodes restarting and clearing their mempools out rather than an explicit policy of replace by fee. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM, John Dillon john.dillon...@googlemail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:05

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-28 Thread John Dillon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Mike Hearn m...@plan99.net wrote: I suspect what you saw is mining nodes restarting and clearing their mempools out rather than an explicit policy of replace by fee. Possibly, but it is a rather short window of

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-28 Thread John Dillon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org wrote: On Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:30:21 PM Jeff Garzik wrote: * Very real possibility of an overall net

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-28 Thread Gavin Andresen
I vote yes to have MultiBit replace Bitcoin-Qt as the recommended desktop wallet app. I think most users will be happier with it. If I'm wrong, it is easy to change back. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows:

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-28 Thread Jim
There are already descriptions as you describe on: http://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet. If you hover over any of the wallet icons you get a description and a link. People being people, we find in practice that the very first wallet link on the page is what the majority of new users click.

[Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-27 Thread Jim
Hello Everybody, Over the last few months we have been steadily adding functionality to MultiBit including: + encrypted wallets + sign and verify message + stability improvements and bug fixes. As a result of these efforts I think MultiBit is now suitable for the entry level Bitcoin user. I

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-27 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Jim jim...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: Hello Everybody, Over the last few months we have been steadily adding functionality to MultiBit including: + encrypted wallets + sign and verify message + stability improvements and bug fixes. As a result of these efforts

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Jim jim...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: Let me know if you think this is a good idea (or not!) and if you have any questions. Being able to promote a fast SPV desktop wallet would be great! I went through an cycle of testing on multibit after I saw some complaints

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-27 Thread Alex Kravets
Hi guys, This would be a big step forward. Anecdotally I can report that 5% of * non-nerds* who don't abandon Bitcoin after waiting for the initial blockchain download and *ongoing* sync on every restart, end up using blockchain.info simply because it just works and works on their iPads

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-27 Thread Luke-Jr
On Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:30:21 PM Jeff Garzik wrote: * Very real possibility of an overall net reduction of full nodes on P2P network Even a reduction of *nodes at all*, as I've never seen a listening bitcoinj or MultiBit node. :/ Jim, will MultiBit be adding p2p listening support? I'm

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org wrote: On Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:30:21 PM Jeff Garzik wrote: * Very real possibility of an overall net reduction of full nodes on P2P network Even a reduction of *nodes at all*, as I've never seen a listening bitcoinj or MultiBit

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-27 Thread Jim
A few replies, in order of point raised: Jeff: Arguments against multibit default: * Less testing, field experience on desktop Yes this is true - downloads of multibit have typically been around 1/7th to 1/5th of bitcoin-QT downloads. It helps of course that the bitcoinj networking/ object model

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-27 Thread Jim
RE: 141.101.113.245 http://whois.domaintools.com/141.101.113.245 gives it as CloudFlare - I suspect it is protecting Mt Gox when we make our get for currency ticker info. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 08:18 PM, Jim wrote: A few replies, in order of point raised: Jeff: Arguments against multibit

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-27 Thread Jim
I missed Greg's point on confirmations. It is definitely a challenge to explain/ visualize both: + has the transaction propagated the network ? and + it it confirmed/ buried in a block ? when those words probably don't mean much to the intended audience. The transaction status icons I *think* do

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-06-27 Thread Caleb James DeLisle
On 06/27/2013 01:56 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Jim jim...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: Let me know if you think this is a good idea (or not!) and if you have any questions. Being able to promote a fast SPV desktop wallet would be great! I went through an cycle