Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-11-03 Thread Alex Mizrahi
For those following this thread, we have now written a paper describing the side-chains, 2-way pegs and compact SPV proofs. (With additional authors Andrew Poelstra Andrew Miller). http://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf Haven't seen any material discussion of this paper in this mailing

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-11-03 Thread Jorge Timón
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Alex Mizrahi alex.mizr...@gmail.com wrote: For those following this thread, we have now written a paper describing the side-chains, 2-way pegs and compact SPV proofs. (With additional authors Andrew Poelstra Andrew Miller).

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-11-03 Thread Alex Mizrahi
From the introduction [...]Because signers prove computational work, rather than proving secret knowledge as is typical for digital signatures, we refer to them as miners. To achieve stable consensus on the blockchain history, economic incentives are provided where miners are rewarded with

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-11-03 Thread Jorge Timón
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Alex Mizrahi alex.mizr...@gmail.com wrote: This isn't applicable in case of sidechains: anybody with sufficient hashpower will be able to unlock a locked coin on the parent chain by producing an SPV proof. Only if the miners form a shared valid history isn't a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-11-03 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 06:01:46PM +0200, Alex Mizrahi wrote: Yes, but harder isn't same as unlikely. We are aware of the distintion between hardness (expected work) and likelihood of successful attack -- much of Appendix B talks about this, in the context of producing compact SPV proofs

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-11-03 Thread odinn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Possibly relevant... https://www.iacr.org/archive/eurocrypt2002/23320001/euro02.ps Some interesting stuff here too http://des.cse.nsysu.edu.tw/asiacrypt2014/accepted/index.htm Andrew Poelstra wrote: false proof - -- http://abis.io ~ a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-10-31 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 22 October 2014 23:54, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: For those following this thread, we have now written a paper describing the side-chains, 2-way pegs and compact SPV proofs. (With additional authors Andrew Poelstra Andrew Miller). http://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf A very

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-10-22 Thread Adam Back
For those following this thread, we have now written a paper describing the side-chains, 2-way pegs and compact SPV proofs. (With additional authors Andrew Poelstra Andrew Miller). http://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf Adam On 16 March 2014 15:58, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: So an

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-10-22 Thread Daniel Murrell
I've already added it here: http://www.opencryptocurrencyreview.com/papers/123/enabling-blockchain-innovations-with-pegged-sidechains I made this site to allow discussions on exactly these sorts of things to be publicly visible and easily discoverable in the future (this is why I replied to all).

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-10-22 Thread Bryan Bishop
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Daniel Murrell dsmurr...@gmail.com wrote: p.s. I'm not trying to monetize this site. I just tried to make something I thought could be useful. [Unsolicited administrivia follows.] You have been posting this in a bunch of places for a while now, at least three

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-10-22 Thread Daniel Murrell
Sorry Bryan, this was the first paper posted to this list since I've been on it that I added to my site. I was quite excited about this. I was not planning on and certainly won't be making this advertisement after every paper posted on this list (I may do it on reddit). I did post on reddit a few

Re: [Bitcoin-development] side-chains 2-way pegging (Re: is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?)

2014-10-22 Thread Jeff Garzik
Take the discussion of this site to another M-L, please. It is off-topic. Actual discussion of the paper and side-chains is on-topic. This M-L is publicly archived. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Daniel Murrell dsmurr...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry Bryan, this was the first paper posted to this