Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-16 Thread Andy Parkins
On 2011 December 16 Friday, Rick Wesson wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:07 PM, slush sl...@centrum.cz wrote: I really like this proposal with standard URLs. All other proposals like DNS mapping or email aliases converted to URLs with some weird logic looks strange to me. wow, really.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-16 Thread Andy Parkins
On Friday 16 Dec 2011 19:06:52 Gavin Andresen wrote: I think there is also a huge public relations benefit to using a standard like IIBAN instead of inventing our own. Having a Bitcoin Payment Routing Address (or whatever it ends up being called) that looks like the number issues by big

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-16 Thread Rick Wesson
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Andy Parkins andypark...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] You've been unfair, the equivalent of your u...@authority.tld is https://authority.tld/user; or https://user.authority.tld/; or https://google.com/bitcoin/user; or any of an infinite number of other

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-15 Thread Walter Stanish
Why don't just... bitcoin://url.without.explicitly.specifying.provider bitcoin://alias@provider bitcoin://IIBAN@authorizedBitcoinInstitution ?? Andy sounded very convincing when talking in favor of URLs. What's wrong with his proposal? A URI identifies a resource and is in effect an alias

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-15 Thread Andy Parkins
On 2011 December 15 Thursday, Walter Stanish wrote: Andy sounded very convincing when talking in favor of URLs. What's wrong with his proposal? A URI identifies a resource and is in effect an alias itself. Identifying a resource is different from interacting with it. So, while

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-15 Thread Jorge Timón
2011/12/15, Walter Stanish wal...@stani.sh: Interaction is a requirement, since there seems to be a widely felt need to preserve anonymity through the use of temporary addresses. Generating a temporary address requires some actual processing to achieve, since the issuing of the new address

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-15 Thread Rick Wesson
Why don't just... bitcoin://url.without.explicitly.specifying.provider bitcoin://alias@provider bitcoin://IIBAN@authorizedBitcoinInstitution ?? By the way, I don't like the fact that a single authorized institution needs to map the IIBANs to bitcoin addresses. The IANA is a good

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-15 Thread slush
I really like this proposal with standard URLs. All other proposals like DNS mapping or email aliases converted to URLs with some weird logic looks strange to me. Plain URLs (returning address in response body, redirecting to URI bitcoin:address or anything else) are very clear solution, easy to

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-14 Thread D.H.
Then forget the hardcoding of https the hardcoding of bitcoin-alias and ?handle= and the original email-looking gen...@foo.org.  Just use the URL. Then the author of the service can use whatever they want. I like this a lot. It's very simple to understand and would be very easy to implement

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-14 Thread D.H.
Sure, send it to david.bitcoin.se. That's not a valid URI. I'm not sure I get your point. If someone tells you hey, check out the web page at xkcd.com, is that your response or do you just open up your web browser and type xkcd.com? D.H.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-14 Thread Jorge Timón
What if we specify bitcoin to make it easier for software (maybe the browser, a plugin for the browser, the bitcoin client analyzing the clipboard...) to easily detect that you expect a bitcoin address when going to url? If puted in the bitcoin client, the bitcoin:// is optional (? and can also be

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-14 Thread Rick Wesson
I was looking at the wiki entry for this and noticed that your description of DNSSEC is incorrect. It is an internet standard and is widely deployed in the root (.), many TLDs, ccTLDs and second leverl domains. Also understand when the IETF or ICANN adopts new (we worked on DNSSEC no less than 10

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-14 Thread Luke-Jr
On Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:02:25 PM Rick Wesson wrote: I also am largely in favor of using secured zones to publish TXT records to digital currencies. I've been thinking mainly about TXT using the following format for bitcoin. _btc.lhs.rhs Don't confuse BTC (Bitcoin unit) with BC

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-14 Thread Rick Wesson
understand that not *everyone* wants or will adhere to that best practice and in my NSHO it isn't. -rick 2011/12/14 Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org: On Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:02:25 PM Rick Wesson wrote: I also am largely in favor of using secured zones to publish TXT records to digital

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-14 Thread Zell Faze
, 12/14/11, Rick Wesson r...@support-intelligence.com wrote: From: Rick Wesson r...@support-intelligence.com Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases To: Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 8:22 PM

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-14 Thread Zell Faze
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases To: Zell Faze zellf...@yahoo.com Cc: Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org, Rick Wesson r...@support-intelligence.com, bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 11:56 PM Just so we're clear, what is the need for HTTP at all

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-14 Thread Walter Stanish
Just so we're clear, what is the need for HTTP at all? A query for a string and an answer can all be handled via DNS. It is a lot easier to set up an HTTP server to dynamically respond with addresses than a DNS record. Interesting that you bring up the effort factor. The notion that every

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-13 Thread Mike Hearn
I was in brmlab and wanted to pay 1 BTC for a Club Mate. They had on the wall a picture of their QR code and a bitcoin address. I don't own a mobile phone so the QR code is useless. Fixed addresses like that are a temporary thing during Bitcoins maturation period. They lead to merchants

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-13 Thread Gavin Andresen
I agree with Mike Hearn and Christian Decker-- paying to 'someb...@foo.com' should become, behind the scenes, a HTTPS query to https://foo.com/something. If you just want to (say) donate to eff.org, then paying to '@eff.org' aught to work nicely. And if namecoin ever takes off you'll pay to

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-13 Thread Luke-Jr
On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:06:15 AM Gavin Andresen wrote: I agree with Mike Hearn and Christian Decker-- paying to 'someb...@foo.com' should become, behind the scenes, a HTTPS query to https://foo.com/something. If you just want to (say) donate to eff.org, then paying to '@eff.org' aught

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-13 Thread Walter Stanish
Interesting thread. Given the following paragraph and the limited feedback garnered upon its announcement to this list last month, I couldn't help but chime in again to mention IIBAN, an Internet Standards Draft available at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iiban-00 (A related proposal for

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-13 Thread Jorge Timón
(6) Settlement system neutral - ie: not bitcoin-centric. ... Also, a single address could be paid via multiple channels (conventional financial systems, bitcoin, LETS systems, etc.) resulting in greater ease of uptake and higher user confidence over time since published banking information is

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-13 Thread Andy Parkins
On 2011 December 13 Tuesday, Amir Taaki wrote: Maybe I wasn't clear enough in the document, but this is the intent with the HTTPS proposal. I don't like the idea of a hard-coded mapping at all. We shouldn't be making choices on behalf of server operators. It's up to them how they arrange

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-13 Thread Walter Stanish
Nifty!  Thanks for the pointers, I think we should avoid reinventing wheels whenever possible. Hear hear! When composing my last response in this thread I wrote, and then erased: There doesn't have to be one solution: I'd like to see some experimentation, with clients supporting different

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-12 Thread Amir Taaki
I'm confused about the problem we're trying to solve. I was in brmlab and wanted to pay 1 BTC for a Club Mate. They had on the wall a picture of their QR code and a bitcoin address. I don't own a mobile phone so the QR code is useless. Then I remembered FirstBits, went to my terminal and

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases

2011-12-12 Thread Daniel F
I was in brmlab and wanted to pay 1 BTC for a Club Mate. They had on the wall a picture of their QR code and a bitcoin address. I don't own a mobile phone so the QR code is useless. Then I remembered FirstBits, went to my terminal and typed 1brmlab. I got their bitcoin address from the