Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-19 Thread odinn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Earlier in the discussion I suggested Discourse so that the BIP page would be able to look smoother and draw more input. Unsystem forum is run on Discourse and has twitter, github, and e-mail integration. For those who haven't explored it, here is wh

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-19 Thread Thomas Zander
On Sunday 19. October 2014 09.17.51 xor wrote: > I joined the list when Bitcoin was already in the 10-billions of market > capitalization, and it actually really surprised me how low the traffic is > here given the importance of Bitcoin. I gather that actual code changes to bitcoin-core and natu

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-19 Thread Wladimir
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 9:17 AM, xor wrote: > So as a random stranger to the project, I would vote against that if I was > allowed to. There really should be *more* discussion here, and splitting the > list up won't help with that. The problem is not one of traffic, but of confusion of concerns,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-19 Thread Btc Drak
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 8:17 AM, xor wrote: > I joined the list when Bitcoin was already in the 10-billions of market > capitalization, and it actually really surprised me how low the traffic is > here > given the importance of Bitcoin. > > So as a random stranger to the project, I would vote aga

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-19 Thread xor
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:29:43 AM Wladimir wrote: > B) I also think it makes sense to move the BIP discussion (both about > the BIP process and individual BIPs) to a separate mailing list. > > bitcoin-development currently has a dual function: discussion of > Bitcoin Core implementation c

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-16 Thread Oliver Egginger
15.10.2014 at 20:13 Mike Hearn wrote: > For a project that is based on digital signatures, it's really > bad that the mailing list is incompatible with Yahoo's "mail signatures > must be valid" policy. # Mailman: Do not break existing DKIM signatures DEFAULT_SUBJECT_PREFIX = "" DEFAULT_MSG_HEADER

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-16 Thread Thomas Zander
On Wednesday 15. October 2014 20.13.11 Mike Hearn wrote: > Plus its moderation features suck, its mail archiving features suck, etc. > It essentially has no redeeming features at all. Other than it being open source, an open platform with no lock-in 'features' and it works with everyone that uses

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-16 Thread Thomas Zander
On Wednesday 15. October 2014 11.36.58 Wladimir wrote: > > We're also having problems with people failing to comment on things, > > not even "I looked at this and have no opinion", which is really > > obstructing things. > > Well - the only way to avoid that is to set a reasonable deadline, > afte

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Luke Dashjr
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:40:04 PM Peter Todd wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 08:00:10PM +0100, Btc Drak wrote: > > > * Google lists are somehow a little proprietary or gmail lockin > > > focused eg it makes things extra hard to subscribe with a non-google > > > address if google has any hi

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Peter Todd
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 08:00:10PM +0100, Btc Drak wrote: > > * Google lists are somehow a little proprietary or gmail lockin > > focused eg it makes things extra hard to subscribe with a non-google > > address if google has any hint that your address is associated with a > > gmail account. Quite

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Cory Fields
Sounds like this is what you're after, it's a fairly new feature: https://github.com/blog/1375%0A-task-lists-in-gfm-issues-pulls-comments I've been meaning to use it in a PR to try it out. Cory On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:36 AM, Wladimir wrote: >> This all makes a lot of sense to me, and would he

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Btc Drak
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Adam Back wrote: > please not google groups *, I'd vote for sourceforge or other simple > open list software over google groups. > Please not sourceforge. > * Google lists are somehow a little proprietary or gmail lockin > focused eg it makes things extra hard

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Mike Hearn
I don't care much what exact list software/service is used, but lists.sf.net hasn't changed in years and is basically dying. Trashing all @yahoo accounts because ancient mailman does a MITM attack on people's email is no good, it's not any better than a web proxy that breaks every SSL connection. F

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Peter Todd
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 04:54:57PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: > please not google groups *, I'd vote for sourceforge or other simple > open list software over google groups. > > Adam > > * Google lists are somehow a little proprietary or gmail lockin > focused eg it makes things extra hard to subscr

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Adam Back
please not google groups *, I'd vote for sourceforge or other simple open list software over google groups. Adam * Google lists are somehow a little proprietary or gmail lockin focused eg it makes things extra hard to subscribe with a non-google address if google has any hint that your address is

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Mike Hearn
> > Great idea. Jeff Garzik was looking for a better mailing list solution > than SourceForge, but assuming > there isn't a clearly better solution I think "we" should create a > strictly moderated bitcoin-bips@lists.sourceforge list. > Let's stay away from SF.net or any mailman-controlled lists i

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Gavin Andresen
RE: process: I like author == primary control, and an "assume they will do the right thing, revert if they don't" RE: separate mailing list for BIP discussion: Great idea. Jeff Garzik was looking for a better mailing list solution than SourceForge, but assuming there isn't a clearly better solut

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Wladimir
> This all makes a lot of sense to me, and would help a lot with the > workflow. Unfortunately github pulls and issues really have nothing > to faciltate a multistage workflow... e.g. where something can go > through several steps. Indeed, pull requests don't have a "status". It would be possible

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2014-10-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Wladimir wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to create a bit of process around the > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips repository. > > A) Currently a lot of pulls are open for various BIPs and it is not > clear who should comment on them, or who decides on changes to be >

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2011-10-20 Thread Christian Decker
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Alex Waters wrote: > >> • I propose that BIPs be wiki pages, with a social convention that the >> Author gets final word if any editing wars break out. > > > ACK > Does it have to be wiki pages if we're going through an editorial process anyway, and there will be

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2011-10-19 Thread Alex Waters
> > > • I propose that BIPs be wiki pages, with a social convention that the > Author gets final word if any editing wars break out. ACK > • If he's willing, I propose that Amir take the role of BIP editor. > > ACK > • I think bitcoin is still too small to have a specialized > "bitcoin-ideas"

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP process

2011-10-18 Thread Nils Schneider
> • I propose that BIPs be wiki pages, with a social convention that the > Author gets final word if any editing wars break out. That's a good idea. What about using GitHub's Wiki feature for BIPs? They support MarkDown which is easy to read in text editors so we could someday create a repo with