Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-05 Thread Jorge Timón
I like both DD-MM- and -MM-DD. I just dislike MM-DD- and -DD-MM. On 4/4/14, Jeff Garzik jgar...@bitpay.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:01 AM, Wladimir laa...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I'd prefer to standardize on ISO 8601 (-MM-DD) dates as well. +1 for all-numeric,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-05 Thread Matt Whitlock
On Saturday, 5 April 2014, at 12:21 pm, Jorge Timón wrote: I like both DD-MM- and -MM-DD. I just dislike MM-DD- and -DD-MM. Your preferences reflect a cultural bias. The only entirely numeric date format that is unambiguous across all cultures is -MM-DD. (No culture uses

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-05 Thread Jorge Timón
On 4/5/14, Matt Whitlock b...@mattwhitlock.name wrote: On Saturday, 5 April 2014, at 12:21 pm, Jorge Timón wrote: I like both DD-MM- and -MM-DD. I just dislike MM-DD- and -DD-MM. Your preferences reflect a cultural bias. The only entirely numeric date format that is

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-05 Thread Wladimir
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Matt Whitlock b...@mattwhitlock.namewrote: On Saturday, 5 April 2014, at 12:21 pm, Jorge Timón wrote: I like both DD-MM- and -MM-DD. I just dislike MM-DD- and -DD-MM. Your preferences reflect a cultural bias. The only entirely numeric date

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-05 Thread Daryl Tucker
-MM-DD sorts more naturally. On 04/05/2014 06:28 AM, Wladimir wrote: On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Matt Whitlock b...@mattwhitlock.name mailto:b...@mattwhitlock.name wrote: On Saturday, 5 April 2014, at 12:21 pm, Jorge Timón wrote: I like both DD-MM- and -MM-DD. I

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-05 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, kjj bitcoin-de...@jerviss.org wrote: At first, I thought this was a second April Fool's joke, but then I looked and saw that all of the BIPs really do use this format. As far as I can tell, we are using this insane format because RFC 822 predates ISO 8601 by

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-03 Thread kjj
Matt Whitlock wrote: The creation date in your BIP header has the wrong format. It should be 01-04-2014, per BIP 1. At first, I thought this was a second April Fool's joke, but then I looked and saw that all of the BIPs really do use this format. As far as I can tell, we are using this

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Whitlock
The creation date in your BIP header has the wrong format. It should be 01-04-2014, per BIP 1. :-) On Tuesday, 1 April 2014, at 9:00 pm, Pieter Wuille wrote: Hi all, I understand this is a controversial proposal, but bear with me please. I believe we cannot accept the current subsidy

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Pieter Wuille pieter.wui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I understand this is a controversial proposal, but bear with me please. I believe we cannot accept the current subsidy schedule anymore, so I wrote a small draft BIP with a proposal to turn Bitcoin into a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Mike Hearn
This proposal will destroy Bitcoin. I would expect nothing less coming from a Google employee. -- ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Luke-Jr
On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:00:07 PM Pieter Wuille wrote: Hi all, I understand this is a controversial proposal, but bear with me please. I believe we cannot accept the current subsidy schedule anymore, so I wrote a small draft BIP with a proposal to turn Bitcoin into a limited-supply

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Benjamin Cordes
luke, you might enjoy the book Topos of Music. It's a complete mathematical music theory by a student of Grothendieck. He advanced Euler's theories of harmony based on advanced category theory. I'm sure there are many applications to Bitcoin. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Luke-Jr

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Luke-Jr
Please, *music* is obsolete, but inline replies *are not*! On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:16:42 PM Benjamin Cordes wrote: luke, you might enjoy the book Topos of Music. It's a complete mathematical music theory by a student of Grothendieck. He advanced Euler's theories of harmony based on

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Corallo
I disagree with this proposal both in spirit and in practice. We all know satoshi was the best programmer like no one ever was. Clearly he intended this monetary supply from the beginning, who are we but mere mortals to go against satoshi's will? Also, should we really do this with a soft fork

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Peter Todd
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 09:00:07PM +0200, Pieter Wuille wrote: Hi all, I understand this is a controversial proposal, but bear with me please. I believe we cannot accept the current subsidy schedule anymore, so I wrote a small draft BIP with a proposal to turn Bitcoin into a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Pieter Wuille
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Peter Todd p...@petertodd.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 09:00:07PM +0200, Pieter Wuille wrote: The text can be found here: https://gist.github.com/sipa/9920696 What's interesting about this bug is we could also fix the problem - the economic shock - by

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Pieter Wuille
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Matt Whitlock b...@mattwhitlock.name wrote: The creation date in your BIP header has the wrong format. It should be 01-04-2014, per BIP 1. Thanks - fixed! -- Pieter --

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Jorge Timón
On 4/1/14, Matt Corallo bitcoin-l...@bluematt.me wrote: Also, should we really do this with a soft fork when we can take this opportunity to redesign the whole system with a hard fork? This is out chance to switch to a whole new script engine! +1 The hard fork also forces the whole community

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Pieter Wuille pieter.wui...@gmail.com wrote: In case there are no further objections (excluding from people who disagree with me), I'd like to request a BIP number for this. Any number is fine, I guess, as long as it's finite. With ten people commenting on this

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Daryl Banttari
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: But owing to a rather large bribe (or at least not less large than any other offered by competing parties) I hereby assign BIP 42 for this proposal. What about BIP 420? Everyone knows if you add zero it's still the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Corallo
I move to reclaim bip 42 as reserved for a bip containing either a reference to musical dolphins or towels in the name. Matt On April 1, 2014 5:47:34 PM EDT, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Pieter Wuille pieter.wui...@gmail.com wrote: In case there are

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Daryl Banttari dbantt...@gmail.com wrote: What about BIP 420? Everyone knows if you add zero it's still the same number. Similarly, everyone knows if you multiply both sides by zero, the result is always a true statement. -- Jeff Garzik Bitcoin core developer

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Finite monetary supply for Bitcoin

2014-04-01 Thread Pieter Wuille
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Pieter Wuille pieter.wui...@gmail.com wrote: But owing to a rather large bribe (or at least not less large than any other offered by competing parties) I hereby assign BIP 42 for this