Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 11, Issue 67

[Eileen Breedlove]

Washington state has been requiring brucellosis testing for rams over six
months for years.   That makes more sense to me than the codon values.
Eileen

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   1. Re: Importing sheep into Canada just got a lot harder
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   2. Re: Importing sheep into Canada just got a lot harder
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I learned today that the USDA and State (Alabama) are requiring blood tests
for Brucellosis on breeding rams >6months old transported across state
lines, and Alabama has been designated as Brucellosis free for several
years

John Carlton
Double J Farms

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Note in the announcement below from the ASI that Canada is requiring a codon
171RR for imported rams. That is going to make it MUCH more difficult to get
blackbelly sheep established in Canada. Combined with the requirement that
the flock of export must be certified scrapie-free, it pretty much puts the
nail in the coffin.

Carol
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Canada Changes Small Ruminant Import Policy

The Canadian Food Inspection Agency announced that the import policy for
small ruminants intended for breeding purposes will change effective Feb. 1,
2016.

Among other revisions, the policy will require that:
* Imported females must originate from a farm that is considered a
"negligible risk premises."
* Imported males must meet one of the following criteria to be eligible
for import from the United States:
* Must originate from a "negligible risk premises," or
* Rams must be of the codon 136AA 171RR or 136AA 171QQR genotype, or
* May be imported from any premises in the United States provided
they are imported onto a farm that has been enrolled in the Voluntary
Scrapie Flock Certification Program for a minimum of one year. Under this
option, there are additional post-import restrictions placed on imported
animals including how they are kept and where they can move.
The policy describes what constitutes a "negligible risk premises" in
detail. In essence, U.S. farms enrolled in the Scrapie Flock Certification
Program Export Monitored stream for a minimum of five years (even if they
have not yet reached Export Certified status) constitute negligible risk
premises. In addition to scrapie-related restrictions, some disease testing
may be required depending on the species and state of origin.

The full announcement is available on ASI's website at
www.sheepusa.org/ResearchEducation_Literature_ExportInformation. 


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Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 11, Issue 36

[Eileen Breedlove]

We tried wire.  My sheep learned to step on the wires to push them down and
then hunch through.  My guardian dogs didn't even slow down, and I think
that's what gave the sheep the idea.  Electric netting does work.

Eileen

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Today's Topics:

   1. fencing for blackbelly sheep (Carol J. Elkins)


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I often receive calls from people wanting to know what type of fencing is
best for blackbelly sheep. I always tell them that 2x4 or
4x4 48-in.-high field fencing is preferred. But sometimes they ask what I
think about 5-6 strand electric wire or tape. I have no experience with this
type of fencing but have read that it isn't good for sheep. That may be true
for wooled sheep, but I thought I'd ask you guys if it works for hair sheep.
For those who use this type of fencing, what has been your experience?

Carol



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Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun

[Eileen Breedlove]

Anything larger than a 22 would be fine.  A  .375 magnum, .40, or 9mm or
10mm would work.  We do it just below the ear.

Eileen Breedlove
Lebanon, OR

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Members, I have used 22 long rifle bullets to kill my lambs for many years,
but they're a little small and I have to carefully hit the animal right
behind the ear. ? Therefore, I'm looking for a larger caliber rifle. ?What
do you use?


Rick Krach
in Auburn, CA?

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I think just about anything larger than a .22 would do fine.  Last time 
I had to dispatch I used a .308 with 150gr bullet.  Im also out in the 
country where no one cares about louder gun shots.

-Steve



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Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 11, Issue 12

[Eileen Breedlove]

Good for you, Tiana!

Eileen

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   1. Chinese Lunar New Year Parade (Tiana Franklin)


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Hi Everyone,
Well the walking of our ram, Shooter, in the Chinese Lunar New Year parade
in San Francisco was a success. Shooter was so well mannered. As soon as we
brought him out of the trailer he was the center of attention. Everyone
wanted to pet him, touch his horns and take pictures with him. There was
also a horned dorset and navajo churro ram there and they did wonderfully as
well. Shooter became a little ramy when he saw the other two rams but
settled in after a little while. There were a lot of fire crackers, drums
and dancing dragons and he just took it all in. When the mayor put a
necklace thing around his neck we were surrounded by cameras and he was very
well mannered. During the mayor's speech Shooter had a little girl massaging
his ears the whole time. Once the speech was over we went back to the
trailers and we once again surrounded by people wanted pictures with the
rams. We finally had to tell people no more so that we could leave and
Shooter was quit exhausted by the whole thing. I would love to know what he
thought about the whole experience and what he told the other sheep when we
got back :)

If I would have had more notice I would have made up cards with information
about the breed that I could have passed out because everyone was interested
in more information but we were so busy that we didn't have the time to
spend with each person.

Here some pictures. Enjoy.
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[Blackbelly] Trees or bushes in the pasture

[Eileen Breedlove]

We have hawthorne trees that the birds seed in our pastures, and the sheep
let them alone.  They also do not eat tansy ragwort or thistles, but I wish
they would!  We also have tussocks that the sheep ignore.

 

Eileen Breedlove

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[Blackbelly] Livestock and predators

[Eileen Breedlove]

We only have seven acres and we have three guardian dogs.  One for ewes, one
for rams, and a third for a breeding group or sheep isolated for whatever
reason.  We are the only farm in our neighborhood who has not lost livestock
to predators (we have cougar, coyote, bobcat, and eagles), and all our dogs
have battle scars.  The dogs collectively eat 4-5 lbs of dog food per day
depending on the weather, but we love them.  The ewes also go in the barn at
night, and we shut them in during lambing (that's actually so we don't have
to chase down newborn lambs in the pasture!)

If we are only using two pastures we double up the dogs in one pasture.  The
third dog is also very helpful if we decide to have puppies.  

Eileen Breedlove

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Today's Topics:

   1. Anti coyote fence ideas (Michael Smith)
   2. Re: Anti coyote fence ideas (Jann Bach)
   3. Re: Anti coyote fence ideas (Rusty Iron Acres)


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I finally saw it as some list-members described: a full grown coyote run up
to my 4.5 foot tall fence and just scale it. It was last night after a
previous night coyote attack that killed my two beloved miniature Pygmy
goats and harmed my toe other pygmys. The sheep were unscathed. I know
lessons in shepherding are hard-earned and I had been thinking about coyotes
considering last years June attack. This year I thought I was being safer.
Had the animals in the central pasture--which has no holes in the fence, the
dog was in the pasture next door. I had been letting her in with the ewes
and goats at night, but stopped doing it, since I have two ewes in a paddock
that are ready to lamb and I was trying to not stress them out too much.

That was a mistake. 

So, after cleaning up the mess yesterday and figuring out one goat has a
limp and the other has a partially paralyzed tongue, I decided to move
Sheila, our dog's home, permanently with the ewes and goats.

I have one of those 1000 candle LED flashlights (which, while costing around
$80-100, I highly recommend--they go forever and look like daylight ) and
went out around 10pm as I had also at 9:00 and 9:30. This time, I was just
in time to hear Sheila growl and see a fully grown coyote lope up to the
fence and use just a few steps to scale it and hop over. 

Will simply making the fence straight and higher help? Or I was thinking of
doing something like prison fencing where the fence angles at a 45 degree up
higher and makes it so a climbing coyote would be almost upside down at the
top. 

http://wolfdogproject.com/fence/leanin2.jpg

Seems easier and safer than an electrical system along the top edge, which I
am thinking the coyotes might not mind a shock, if there's a good meal

Having the dog in there will certainly help, and I plan to try to lock the
animals in the smaller gated paddocks at night and also, amend their paddock
fencing so they go to the roof. Basically a box, for sleeping in. 

The other question, can people with a single burro or llama actually claim
they have never sustained an attack after getting the larger animal?

-MIchael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies

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I put a 4 pvc pipe on the top of the fence. Makes it nearly impossible to
scale as they have no traction to grab the top of the fence. I can further
elaborate if anyone