Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun
Thanks to all the people helping with gun info. I will definitely find another gun than my .22. I do agree with the curiousness of the avma website because to shoot an animal on the top of the head, one would have to be holding it; and if that were the case, I would just slit its throat. Rick Krach in Auburn, CA 1. Re: dispatching gun (Steve) On 3/30/2015 11:23 AM, Stephan A Wildeus wrote: Here is a link to the AVMA guidelines on euthanasia in animals: https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Documents/euthanasia.pdf The description on sheep and goats starts on page 55, and includes a diagram on where and at what angle the gunshot should be placed, along with a quick discussion on pros and cons on different types of guns and ammunition to be used. Regards, Stephan Stephan Wildeus, Ph.D., PAS, Dipl. ACAP Research Professor ? Small Ruminants Box 9061 Agricultural Research Station Virginia State University Petersburg, VA 23806 e-mail: swild...@vsu.edu Ph.: 804-524-6716 Fax: 804-524-5186 -Original Message- From: Blackbelly [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:30 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun This is one of the better diagrams I have seen. Since this shows where the brain is, and how small it is. It also gives you some sight lines to follow. However for Blackbellies, think about how thick their foreheads must be from all the head butting. I would never attempt a frontal line, especially with a small caliber round. -Steve ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun
I think what is nice about that diagram is not so much the angle of the shot line that it gives you, but more the location of the brain. Then you can pick your own angle which will best suit your circumstances. If an animal is sick and on the ground then you can line up for a top of the head angle. If the animal is still walking then either a head gate to secure it, and like you said you could then severe the neck, or you could line up an angle for a shot at a distance. Of course you will need to take into acct that distance vs caliber of gun, also how far that caliber will reach past the animal as well. For the number of animals that one might need to dispatch, I can't imagine buying a gun strictly for that purpose. So I would also try and figure out what else you could use it for. Which is tough for the Auburn area. The best I got might be a snake gun. So another thought could be a shotgun such as a 20 gauge, or a 410 with slugs. Im not a gun expert so not sure how much of a mess that might make. Also accuracy will drop for a shotgun vs a rifle. I think I would look at a .223 or a .243 as options. So then it would come down to cost of ammo. Since a .223 is also a NATO round, this should be much more accessible and cheaper ammo. I have not shot a .223, but I'd imagine it is still small enough that you might get away with not disturbing your neighbors too much up there. If I were to add a rifle to my current collection which includes .308 and .22, I would choose .223. It would be my in between gun. If money was not a concern, I'd find a pre 1968 lever action 30-30 or .357. Those things make you feel like an Old West cowboy. I hope this helps some more. -Steve On 3/31/2015 8:35 PM, Rick Krach wrote: Thanks to all the people helping with gun info. I will definitely find another gun than my .22. I do agree with the curiousness of the avma website because to shoot an animal on the top of the head, one would have to be holding it; and if that were the case, I would just slit its throat. Rick Krach in Auburn, CA 1. Re: dispatching gun (Steve) On 3/30/2015 11:23 AM, Stephan A Wildeus wrote: Here is a link to the AVMA guidelines on euthanasia in animals: https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Documents/euthanasia.pdf The description on sheep and goats starts on page 55, and includes a diagram on where and at what angle the gunshot should be placed, along with a quick discussion on pros and cons on different types of guns and ammunition to be used. Regards, Stephan Stephan Wildeus, Ph.D., PAS, Dipl. ACAP Research Professor ? Small Ruminants Box 9061 Agricultural Research Station Virginia State University Petersburg, VA 23806 e-mail: swild...@vsu.edu Ph.: 804-524-6716 Fax: 804-524-5186 -Original Message- From: Blackbelly [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:30 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun This is one of the better diagrams I have seen. Since this shows where the brain is, and how small it is. It also gives you some sight lines to follow. However for Blackbellies, think about how thick their foreheads must be from all the head butting. I would never attempt a frontal line, especially with a small caliber round. -Steve ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun
The diagram in that PDF, looks to be the same as the one I sent. So I defer to the PDF. -Steve On 3/30/2015 11:23 AM, Stephan A Wildeus wrote: Here is a link to the AVMA guidelines on euthanasia in animals: https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Documents/euthanasia.pdf The description on sheep and goats starts on page 55, and includes a diagram on where and at what angle the gunshot should be placed, along with a quick discussion on pros and cons on different types of guns and ammunition to be used. Regards, Stephan Stephan Wildeus, Ph.D., PAS, Dipl. ACAP Research Professor – Small Ruminants Box 9061 Agricultural Research Station Virginia State University Petersburg, VA 23806 e-mail: swild...@vsu.edu Ph.: 804-524-6716 Fax: 804-524-5186 -Original Message- From: Blackbelly [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:30 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun This is one of the better diagrams I have seen. Since this shows where the brain is, and how small it is. It also gives you some sight lines to follow. However for Blackbellies, think about how thick their foreheads must be from all the head butting. I would never attempt a frontal line, especially with a small caliber round. -Steve On 3/29/2015 8:14 PM, Michael Smith wrote: I've never dispatched a sheep before. When you all say behind the ear, in what direction are you aiming? towards the spine, or towards the other side, or towards the front of the head? I would have thought the best entrance would be behind the head into the brain, trying to break the spine and also stop the brain. No? -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Eileen Breedlove epbreedl...@dsl-only.net wrote: ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blackbellysheep.infod=AwICAgc=M6jrGf-tsbVD-_IIQXm5t9QIANL_IQIQ77prrocxArUr=AMm7GJj7Dc3dDaRcrxQrrQm=OP--daDDE1-bYw1uPRDtGe3ZOvj39bI4q2r0vhwDxKcs=rqQpTcSqIfDA-CGiJvxSN2nHKFJkwOZTU_GLiwa1YDoe= “The information in this email and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. Access to this email by anyone other than the intended addressee is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient (or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this information to the intended recipient) please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email and any copies from your computer and/or storage system. The sender does not authorize the use, distribution, disclosure or reproduction of this email (or any part of its contents) by anyone other than the intended recipient(s). No representation is made that this email and any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient.” ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun
Anything larger than a 22 would be fine. A .375 magnum, .40, or 9mm or 10mm would work. We do it just below the ear. Eileen Breedlove Lebanon, OR --- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 20:04:32 -0700 From: Rick Krach rickkr...@hotmail.com To: blackbelly Blackbelly List blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun Message-ID: bay175-w400ce2b39604c26b08049baf...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Members, I have used 22 long rifle bullets to kill my lambs for many years, but they're a little small and I have to carefully hit the animal right behind the ear. ? Therefore, I'm looking for a larger caliber rifle. ?What do you use? Rick Krach in Auburn, CA? -- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:02:03 -0700 From: Steve st...@ninemilesheep.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun Message-ID: 5516faab.8080...@ninemilesheep.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think just about anything larger than a .22 would do fine. Last time I had to dispatch I used a .308 with 150gr bullet. Im also out in the country where no one cares about louder gun shots. -Steve ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun
Get youjrself a .357 Marlin lever action rifle. You can use 38 caliber ammo in it. It will have a good knockdown power at close range and will not travel a long way if you miss...( 100 yd bullet drop). I use one for coyotes in what is now becoming suburbs. Cecil in OKla On 3/28/2015 2:02 PM, Steve wrote: I think just about anything larger than a .22 would do fine. Last time I had to dispatch I used a .308 with 150gr bullet. Im also out in the country where no one cares about louder gun shots. -Steve On 3/27/2015 8:04 PM, Rick Krach wrote: Members, I have used 22 long rifle bullets to kill my lambs for many years, but they're a little small and I have to carefully hit the animal right behind the ear. Therefore, I'm looking for a larger caliber rifle. What do you use? Rick Krach in Auburn, CA ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] dispatching gun
Members, I have used 22 long rifle bullets to kill my lambs for many years, but they're a little small and I have to carefully hit the animal right behind the ear. Therefore, I'm looking for a larger caliber rifle. What do you use? Rick Krach in Auburn, CA ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
