Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
On 12/31/2013 06:58 PM, Randy McMurchy wrote: > Hi all, > > Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command > and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. > However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be > consistent as far as which man pages are installed. > > Thoughts? > I believe that LFS had some note for man-db that it couldn't properly display man pages in some languages, but that was fixed some time ago. -- Note: My last name is not Krejzi. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
Armin K. wrote: > On 12/31/2013 06:58 PM, Randy McMurchy wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command >> and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. >> However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be >> consistent as far as which man pages are installed. >> >> Thoughts? >> > > I believe that LFS had some note for man-db that it couldn't properly > display man pages in some languages, but that was fixed some time ago. I'm not sure how to check. I tried: $ LANG=ko man chfn man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct but it did display the English page. We do have the ko, zh_CN, and zh_TW pages installed. I also see that nmap installs a zh page. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
Le 31/12/2013 19:17, Bruce Dubbs a écrit : > Armin K. wrote: >> On 12/31/2013 06:58 PM, Randy McMurchy wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command >>> and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. >>> However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be >>> consistent as far as which man pages are installed. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >> >> I believe that LFS had some note for man-db that it couldn't properly >> display man pages in some languages, but that was fixed some time ago. > > I'm not sure how to check. I tried: > > $ LANG=ko man chfn > man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct > > but it did display the English page. We do have the ko, zh_CN, and > zh_TW pages installed. I also see that nmap installs a zh page. > >-- Bruce > maybe you need some "localedef" command. If you have only what is on glibc page, you do not have localedef for ko. There is zh_CN, though. Tried: LANG=zh_CN.GB18030 man chfn and got a bunch of question marks (well, I do not have the right font installed), followed by a text in English. Well, tried too: LANG=zh_CN.GB18030 man useradd gives many more question marks... Pierre -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:17:42PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Armin K. wrote: > > On 12/31/2013 06:58 PM, Randy McMurchy wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command > >> and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. > >> However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be > >> consistent as far as which man pages are installed. > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > > > > I believe that LFS had some note for man-db that it couldn't properly > > display man pages in some languages, but that was fixed some time ago. > > I'm not sure how to check. I tried: > > $ LANG=ko man chfn > man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct > > but it did display the English page. We do have the ko, zh_CN, and > zh_TW pages installed. I also see that nmap installs a zh page. > >-- Bruce > From some quick tests (in urxvt on a 'buntu "desktop" on my netbook, using ssh to get to my 7.4 server) I can display the shadow pages I tried for the ja_JP, ko_KR, zh_CN, zh_TW locales : but only if I specify LC_ALL=ja_JP.UTF-8 : omitting the .UTF-8 gave me gibberish. This also requires the locales, of course, and suitable fonts. Arguably, LFS is out of date - but very few LFS users seem to care about CJK text. There is, of course, no way to display CJK in a regular tty (far too many potential glyphs). But from any desktop term which is correctly set up and has a suitable font you can display them using the form 'man /usr/share/man/ja/man1/su.1' and the same if you replace 'ja' by 'ko', 'zh_CN' or 'zh_TW'. Unfortunately, many of the other pages are not present in all four of these CJK locales. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, dieses Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
Ken Moffat wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:17:42PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Armin K. wrote: >>> On 12/31/2013 06:58 PM, Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be consistent as far as which man pages are installed. Thoughts? >>> >>> I believe that LFS had some note for man-db that it couldn't properly >>> display man pages in some languages, but that was fixed some time ago. >> >> I'm not sure how to check. I tried: >> >> $ LANG=ko man chfn >> man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct >> >> but it did display the English page. We do have the ko, zh_CN, and >> zh_TW pages installed. I also see that nmap installs a zh page. >> >> -- Bruce >> > > From some quick tests (in urxvt on a 'buntu "desktop" on my > netbook, using ssh to get to my 7.4 server) I can display the shadow > pages I tried for the ja_JP, ko_KR, zh_CN, zh_TW locales : but only > if I specify LC_ALL=ja_JP.UTF-8 : omitting the .UTF-8 gave me > gibberish. > > This also requires the locales, of course, and suitable fonts. > > Arguably, LFS is out of date - but very few LFS users seem to care > about CJK text. > > There is, of course, no way to display CJK in a regular tty (far > too many potential glyphs). But from any desktop term which is > correctly set up and has a suitable font you can display them using > the form 'man /usr/share/man/ja/man1/su.1' and the same if you > replace 'ja' by 'ko', 'zh_CN' or 'zh_TW'. Unfortunately, many of > the other pages are not present in all four of these CJK locales. In any case, Randy's observation that LFS and BLFS install shadow differently is still accurate. Should we change LFS to omit the ko/zn man pages or remove the sed from BLFS that does that. I lean towards removing the sed from BLFS, but will defer to those who do more with non-US fonts. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 01:36:47PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > In any case, Randy's observation that LFS and BLFS install shadow > differently is still accurate. Should we change LFS to omit the ko/zn > man pages or remove the sed from BLFS that does that. > > I lean towards removing the sed from BLFS, but will defer to those who > do more with non-US fonts. > >-- Bruce I'm all for allowing _any_ text to render, even if I can't read it. So, +1 for that from me - but I'd rather see the comments from the editors who are actively maintaining the book. Meanwhile, Lang May Yer Lum Reek! ĸen - "Just a wee deoch an doruis then ..." -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, dieses Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
Le 31/12/2013 22:26, Ken Moffat a écrit : > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 01:36:47PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> >> In any case, Randy's observation that LFS and BLFS install shadow >> differently is still accurate. Should we change LFS to omit the ko/zn >> man pages or remove the sed from BLFS that does that. >> >> I lean towards removing the sed from BLFS, but will defer to those who >> do more with non-US fonts. >> >>-- Bruce > > I'm all for allowing _any_ text to render, even if I can't read it. > So, +1 for that from me - but I'd rather see the comments from the > editors who are actively maintaining the book. > > Meanwhile, Lang May Yer Lum Reek! > > ĸen - "Just a wee deoch an doruis then ..." > Actually, whether you have a sed in BLFS or not, you'll have all the manpages since they are installed in LFS... So +1 for removing: it does not change the final state and is just one line less on the page. Happy new year to all (1h25 left in 2013 here) Pierre -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 09:26:53PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 01:36:47PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > > In any case, Randy's observation that LFS and BLFS install shadow > > differently is still accurate. Should we change LFS to omit the ko/zn > > man pages or remove the sed from BLFS that does that. > > > > I lean towards removing the sed from BLFS, but will defer to those who > > do more with non-US fonts. > > > >-- Bruce > > I'm all for allowing _any_ text to render, even if I can't read it. > So, +1 for that from me - but I'd rather see the comments from the > editors who are actively maintaining the book. > And before the year gets any older, I'll offer my apologies to both Bruce and Randy for misreading Randy's original post. Anyway, everything is for the best, in the best of all possible worlds. [ Voltaire, Candide ] ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, dieses Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
