Re: [blfs-support] Getting X-server to re-read its xorg.conf.d config files 'dynamically'.

2014-02-26 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 19:47 +, akhiezer wrote: Old ms-intellimouse-explorer-... gave 'em lots of years of heavy use - think since 2004. Yep... whatever can be said of their software, Microsoft has a history of making good mice and keyboards. I'm typing this on the ergonomic keyboard I

Re: [blfs-support] LibreOffice: NO audio on some pps files

2014-02-26 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 03:41 +, Ken Moffat wrote: People who think that powerpoint was a brilliant idea are probably better-placed than I am to provide assistance. As opposed to those of us who regard it as an abomination, a plague upon workplace productivity, bringing up traumatic memories

Re: [blfs-support] Xorg required dep when following links in BLFS

2013-12-27 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2013-12-24 at 21:55 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: And the user has the information to do that. If you've decided to use the standard /usr prefix, you can omit the remainder of this page. Sure... it's just that we make the complicated case the default one for the inexperienced people,

Re: [blfs-support] Python vs Python Modules in MesaLib and libxml2 - BLFS 2013-03-18

2013-12-27 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2013-12-26 at 10:51 +, eddie james wrote: The instructions are a tad ambiguous to a soft mind such as my own. After google for 3 hours, I looked into the exploded libxml2 directory and saw files related to python. I then did ./configure --help and noticed the --with-python option..

Re: [blfs-support] Xorg required dep when following links in BLFS

2013-12-24 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-12-23 at 04:07 -0600, William Harrington wrote: xorg-proto ( which has util-macros as required dependency) does not have Xorg introduction as a required dependency where XORG_PREFIX and XORG_CONFIG is set. Do we really have a reason for having these variables, instead of just

Re: [blfs-support] Complete Backup of {,B}LFS

2013-12-24 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-12-23 at 07:59 -0600, Dan McGhee wrote: --no-preserve-owner Do not change the ownership of the files; leave them owned by the user extracting them. To me that phrase leave them owned says that the files will be owned by me when I'm done and seems to

Re: [blfs-support] Xorg required dep when following links in BLFS

2013-12-24 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-12-23 at 13:13 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Judging from LFS, many people skip things like the preface. I don't know how many times users have run into problems because they didn't read the preface and run the host requirements script. Yeah, you could title that page YOU MUST READ

Re: [blfs-support] Automounting

2013-12-10 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 20:53 +, Matt Burgess wrote: My *deity*! It's bad enough that some config files are written in XML, but JavaScript for config files, really? Not so much a config file, as a script. I don't know PolicyKit APIs, but it's basically defining a custom security rule... a

Re: [blfs-support] problem using BS or DEL key

2013-12-08 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 21:41 +, Richard Melville wrote: The atom has come a long way since its inauguration; the latest Silverton range featuring the Avoton processors boast up to an eight core model with a 2.6 GHz clock speed per core and a 64 bit instruction set. The L3 cache is up to 4

Re: [blfs-support] Booting a BLFS system with Syslinux

2013-12-04 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 11:16 +, Richard Melville wrote: I have syslinux on a GPT USB flash drive (currently /dev/sdc1) together with the kernel image. The root file system is on an mSATA SSD (currently /dev/sdb2) which is traditionally partitioned. If I use root=/dev/sdb2 plus kernel

Re: [blfs-support] Suggestions on Desktop Environment

2013-12-04 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 20:22 -0500, Alan Feuerbacher wrote: I'm not far from choosing a Desktop Environment, which BLFS gives you choices of KDE, XFCE, LXDE to install. I use Gnome at work, an old version that comes with Redhat 5, and I understand that new versions get mixed reviews in

Re: [blfs-support] Booting a BLFS system with Syslinux

2013-12-02 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 19:53 +, Richard Melville wrote: I'm attempting to boot with syslinux from a USB flash drive with GPT and ext2. I'm able to boot OK but I'm seeing some weird behaviour. If I use a UUID instead of /dev/sdb2 I get a kernel panic and it doesn't seem to like either

Re: [blfs-support] Proprietary Radeon Driver

2013-11-27 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 11:17 -0600, Dan McGhee wrote: I'm working my way throught the Xorg installation and getting close to installing the drivers. Xorg hasn't quite caught up yet with my chip which is Radeon HD 8610G, and I'm going to use the proprietary driver from ATI. I'm asking for

Re: [blfs-support] at-spi2-core-2.10.1 build fails

2013-11-04 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 09:43 +, John Frankish wrote: Indeed - I'd mistyped the cc - gcc symlink, after correcting it, things work Thanks for that, it would have taken me a long time to discover :) Yeah, being a Python coder helps when you're confronted by a stack trace like that one...

Re: [blfs-support] at-spi2-core-2.10.1 build fails

2013-11-03 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2013-11-03 at 14:39 -0300, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: This must be related to gobject-introspection. Is it installed? It's definitely installed, because that's precisely the thing failing... the invocation of /usr/local/bin/g-ir-scanner. A quick look at the code appearing in the stack

Re: [blfs-support] noshell

2013-11-03 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2013-11-03 at 11:03 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I'm unaware why noshell would be an advantage over /bin/false. What does it do that is needed? Most google results indicate that it's to do with logging - that noshell will report that someone attempted to obtain a shell as a system user,

Re: [blfs-support] Wifi Operations--Again

2013-11-03 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2013-11-03 at 17:16 -0600, Dan McGhee wrote: I was discussing this on the LFS-support list because I'm trying to do it in chroot. If actually bringing up a wireless card is possible in chroot, then I'm in a dhcpd and wpa_supplicant situation. First question, does anyone know if

Re: [blfs-support] pppd / rp-pppoe and such

2013-11-02 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 12:58 +0100, Igor Živković wrote: I guess none of BLFS editors uses ADSL Most ADSL users simply have a router that connects with an ethernet or wifi interface. Having to deal with pppoe and actual ADSL hardware isn't exactly common... Simon. --

Re: [blfs-support] GNOME replacement

2013-10-04 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 10:42 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: This is an interesting idea, but I have a few questions about it. I don't know how well it's supported. From what I can tell, it's based on GTK+2 and I don't know how well that will continue to be supported. Poorly, is my outsider

Re: [blfs-support] Error in Junit installation instructions?

2013-07-30 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-07-29 at 09:25 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Simon Geard wrote: Unrelated, I'm curious why the book points to a Debian/Ubuntu package for a jar package. Surely a reference to the upstream junit.org site would be more appropriate? We need a url that can be used with wget. I

Re: [blfs-support] Couldn't find include 'GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir'

2013-07-30 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-07-29 at 14:44 -0500, Dave Wagler wrote: That was the problem. Thanks. I also had to re-install pango for the same reason. My suggestion would be that gobject-introspection should be the first thing you install after glib itself. These days, almost anything that needs glib, also

Re: [blfs-support] Error in Junit installation instructions?

2013-07-29 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 08:55 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: That is indeed a typo that I just fixed. junit uses an uncommon naming scheme and I used a more common one for the binary package. By uncommon naming scheme, are you perchance referring to the junit vs junit-dep distinction? Unrelated,

Re: [blfs-support] Adding 32-Bit Libraries to an Existing 64-Bit LFS-7.3?

2013-07-05 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2013-07-04 at 22:23 -0500, Tyrin Price wrote: Still, that is a lot of work when I really only need one 32-bit app. Depending on how often you use that app, you might also consider running a 32-bit OS (LFS or otherwise) in a VM, so as not to require the complexity of a multilib setup in

Re: [blfs-support] Icedtea-web configure: error: sun.awt.X11.XEmbeddedFrame not found

2013-06-12 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 18:57 -0300, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: Can now build icedtea-web-1.4, either using OpenJDK-1.7.0.21-2.3.9 or OpenJDK-1.7.0.40-2.4.0, but *only after exiting X* session (lxsession) and runing the build script on a terminal. Does it work from an xterm if you unset DISPLAY

Re: [blfs-support] Firefox-21.0 and python-2.6

2013-05-28 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-05-27 at 18:41 -0300, Fernando wrote: Now, python 2.6 is not enough: Creating Python environment Python 2.7 or greater (but not Python 3) is required to build. You are running Python 2.6. *** Fix above errors and then restart with make -f client.mk build I

Re: [blfs-support] gstreamer versions question

2013-05-09 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 11:04 +0100, lux-integ wrote: I dont want to do parallel builds so the question then becomes:- will gstreamer-dependent-stuff-in-the-blfs-book work with gstreamer-1.0.7? Short answer, no - they're effectively different libraries. Longer answer, maybe - it depends on

Re: [blfs-support] A question about KDE - and a suggestion

2013-04-21 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2013-04-20 at 05:55 -0700, William Tracy wrote: Just to provide a dissenting view: http://xkcd.com/1200/ Indeed - most users care more about protecting their data, than about the integrity of a system they can repair/reinstall with relative ease. The two aren't unrelated, though.

Re: [blfs-support] Python vs Python Modules in MesaLib and libxml2 - BLFS 2013-03-18

2013-03-23 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2013-03-22 at 16:28 -0500, rhubarbpie...@gmail.com wrote: The following Note is in the MesaLib documentation: The libxml2 Python module must have been built during the installation of libxml2 or else MesaLib build will fail. Should it perhaps read as follows: Python must have

Re: [blfs-support] Missing cursor in text (console) mode - revisited

2013-03-23 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2013-03-22 at 17:29 -0400, alex lupu wrote: I'm wondering if the above grub-1.99 is of the Grub-1 variety (as opposed to 2.00 which must be in the GRUB 2 class). Nope. 1.99 is basically a Grub2 pre-release. Simon. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ:

Re: [blfs-support] Compilation presets for Xorg

2013-03-13 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 14:21 +0100, Niels Terp wrote: And much to my surprise, even after a munual sh /etc/profile.d/xorg.sh the variables STILL don't contain anything. That will *never* work. Running sh filename will simply start a new process which reads the file, sets those variables in that

Re: [blfs-support] Python Modules

2013-03-06 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2013-03-06 at 01:02 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: Hi, Does someone have some experience about compatibility between the Python Modules and Python2.7 / 3.3? In my case, pyrex doesn't seem to install with Python3.3. Is it a known problem? Are a lot of modules incompatible with

Re: [blfs-support] Python Modules

2013-03-06 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2013-03-06 at 21:02 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: BRLTTY depends on pyrex to support speech-dispatcher. But I'll think again of installing speech-dispatcher. Ok, so you don't actually care about Python, as such - you care about the build requirements for BRLTTY. In that case, the

Re: [blfs-support] GNOME extensions...

2013-02-25 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-02-25 at 22:44 -0800, Michael C. Robinson wrote: I have gnome 3 working, but firefox 14 doesn't seem to be capable of installing extensions. Common extensions for example include one that allows hiding the top task bar. I can't think of any extensions that are essential on a

Re: [blfs-support] .bashrc and .bash_profile ignored?

2013-02-16 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2013-02-16 at 08:20 -0800, Alan wrote: I have had some trouble for a long time with exporting some environmental variables from my .bash_profile or the .bashrc Even if I manually execute those files, the variables still are not set. I have a echo 'path set' in files and I do see

Re: [blfs-support] audio libraries

2013-02-07 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2013-02-07 at 10:57 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: LM wrote: Here's one more audio reference that might be of interest: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html It's also not the latest information since it's dated 2009. However, it has some

Re: [blfs-support] audio libraries

2013-02-05 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 07:28 -0500, LM wrote: Simon Geard wrote: Being from 2007, it's also somewhat outdated - both ESD and aRts are pretty much irrelevant these days, and there's no mention of KDE's Phonon. There was some reason for phonon being left out. Well, yes... it's

Re: [blfs-support] gnome-shell without network manager...

2013-02-03 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 23:13 +, Ken Moffat wrote: On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 02:57:21PM -0800, Michael C. Robinson wrote: Is it possible to install gnome-shell without installing network manager? It is not needed on an NFS root system. No idea, but google thinks it is/was possible, at

Re: [blfs-support] audio libraries

2013-02-01 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 10:44 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: LM wrote: There was a thread that mentioned audio libraries and the possibility of documenting some of it to a wiki in December. Ran across this link mentioned at osnews.com:

Re: [blfs-support] Swap use and speed doubts

2013-01-30 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2013-01-30 at 03:31 -0800, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: 2. How a system with so much RAM is swapping? Because swap isn't just extra memory to use once RAM runs out. I don't know specifics for Linux, but the OS is free to pre-emptively move data from RAM to swap if it thinks it's

Re: [blfs-support] openjpeg

2013-01-30 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2013-01-30 at 13:11 -0500, LM wrote: It certainly makes it a nuisance for building by script to have to change from gnu autotools to cmake. Thanks. Not really. Sure, it's an extra dependency, but changing your scripts is generally as simple as replacing: ./configure --prefix=/usr

Re: [blfs-support] For {,anti}systemd folks

2013-01-28 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 12:25 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Simon Geard wrote: On Sat, 2013-01-26 at 16:07 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: systemd has/needs over 100 pages of documentation. Myth or fact? I'm astonished... that's the first time I've seen well documented used as criticism of an open

Re: [blfs-support] ftp client question

2013-01-28 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 14:55 +, lux-integ wrote: I have sftp but since it is only data between two neighbouring machines I thought a simple even if insucure method would suffice. Advice and suggestions on available ftp clients would be much appreciated. My advice would be not to

Re: [blfs-support] For {,anti}systemd folks

2013-01-26 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2013-01-26 at 16:07 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: systemd has/needs over 100 pages of documentation. Myth or fact? I'm astonished... that's the first time I've seen well documented used as criticism of an open-source project... Simon. --

Re: [blfs-support] sh - dash symbolic link

2013-01-23 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 10:50 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: The potential problem with using bash is compatibility with non-LFS/BLFS scripts. Are non-LFS scripts compatible with ours, sourcing our functions files and stuff? Because I've never seen one that was, and 3rd-party bootscripts seem to be

Re: [blfs-support] Mesa-6.5.2

2013-01-23 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 12:49 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote: I've never used multiple monitors, but Xinerama has always been part of X so I've always built libXinerama. If you omit expected dependencies, you get problems. I think that BLFS has always But if you didn't configure ought to

Re: [blfs-support] Glib-networking make check

2013-01-20 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2013-01-18 at 13:27 +0100, Armin K. wrote: I used DESTDIR method ever since. For every single package that I install I have following set of post install triggers I've just introduced something similar into my own scripts, though slightly more discriminating - checking the install

Re: [blfs-support] Glib-networking make check

2013-01-18 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 22:46 +0100, Armin K. wrote: However, gschemas.compiled should be createad by GTK+3 and gsettings-desktop-schemas (or any other packages that installs GSettings schemas) make install process unless you are using DESTDIR method. Ah ha... I think you've just solved the

Re: [blfs-support] Java plugin

2013-01-14 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-01-14 at 16:13 +0100, Thomas de Roo wrote: Hello, Can somebody explain why the Java-plugin only works when it is a symbolic link, but not when it is simply copied to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins? Just guessing, but the most likely answer is that it's using the location of the

Re: [blfs-support] 5 questions, linux adsl(2)-Modems,current

2013-01-10 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 10:58 +, lux-integ wrote: nailed it. why is a router bundled with modem? No WHY is every adsl2 modem bundled with a router? Because it's *easy*. Plug one cable into the wall, another into the computer, and you're done. Actually, many of them are also WiFi access

Re: [blfs-support] 5 questions, linux adsl(2)-Modems,current

2013-01-08 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2013-01-07 at 20:14 +, lux-integ wrote: Greetings the five questions are:- --q1: Are there low-cost adsl2 modems that are linux compatible? (I am still stuck wioth the speedtouch330 which is plain adsl ) --q2: how does linux handle adsl2 modem-routers (ehm modemThingies)

Re: [blfs-support] 5 questions, linux adsl(2)-Modems,current

2013-01-08 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2013-01-08 at 12:15 +, lux-integ wrote: On Tuesday 08 January 2013 09:17:51 Simon Geard wrote: Every DSL device I've seen in years - including the free ones ISPs hand out to new customers - has just been a router with an ethernet port. The device itself takes care of the DSL

Re: [blfs-support] iptables

2013-01-07 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2013-01-06 at 23:28 -0800, Richard Coffee wrote: Also, I didn't need the LDFLAGS doing an upgrade. I suspect that was just because the libraries already existed. Although I did need to use a sed before doing 'make install'. sed -i 's/-dm0755/-d -m0755/' iptables/Makefile

Re: [blfs-support] Software version

2013-01-05 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2013-01-04 at 23:10 +0100, Armin K. wrote: One example is libffi 3.0.10 to 3.0.11 upgrade, where libffi.so.5 became libffi.so.6 and everything that used libffi was required to be rebuilt. Seriously? They bumped the ABI version in a 0.0.1 release increment? That's a shocker... Simon.

Re: [blfs-support] SeaMonkey Build failure

2013-01-02 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2013-01-02 at 17:43 -0500, Baho Utot wrote: I found the problem...It was an xorg protocol header that was missing and the libpthread-stubs was not there. I have it compiling now! A stupid package, that libpthread-stubs - on a Linux machine, it doesn't even install anything, except

Re: [blfs-support] blfs-support (no subject)

2012-12-26 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2012-12-27 at 01:57 +0100, Tobias Gasser wrote: Am 25.12.2012 10:28, schrieb Simon Geard: Hmm... it occurs to me that while using FS monitoring (or your 'find' based approach) is neat, it's not parallel-safe. I'm guessing you don't install more than one package simultaneously? My

Re: [blfs-support] blfs-support (no subject)

2012-12-26 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2012-12-26 at 09:38 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote: Certainly. I do have goals to get to. But a newbie would, I think, benefit from being told that (s)he needs to build certain dependencies, with PERHAPS some guidance to what a good set would be, before getting to the goal of a functional

Re: [blfs-support] blfs-support (no subject)

2012-12-25 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2012-12-25 at 06:28 +, Ken Moffat wrote: But then, I'm an admitted heretic - in my scripts I build and install as root : DESTDIR/INSTALL_ROOT are for when I'm looking at a package, not when I'm installing it ;) To be honest, I spent some weeks trying to use DESTDIR installs as a

Re: [blfs-support] blfs-support (no subject)

2012-12-25 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2012-12-25 at 12:15 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote: I did in a previous post. q.v. Ok, just went back to look at that post which I seem to have missed. In general, Ken has already covered most of what I'd say in reply, but I'd also note that much of the stuff you list is just dependencies.

Re: [blfs-support] blfs-support (no subject)

2012-12-24 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 19:29 +, Ken Moffat wrote: For a server, I doubt there is very much commonality. For a desktop I suspect the common packages stop fairly soon after building Xorg. For myself, getting my preferred wm is basically followed by firefox with system libraries.

Re: [blfs-support] blfs-support (no subject)

2012-12-24 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 10:34 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote: For myself, after my first LFS-4.1 build, all by hand with copious written notes from the book, I began using a directory watcher called git by Ingo Bruekel. It was apparently abandon-ware, and I found a few fixes necessary. And of

Re: [blfs-support] Glib 2.34.2

2012-12-19 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 02:28 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: I guess installing python 2.5 without any instructions isn't so easy. Moreover, it's strange that configure sees python 2.7 2.5. I think either this package should be patched, or the dependency in the book should be python2.5

Re: [blfs-support] 64bit lfs question

2012-12-18 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 12:36 +, Ken Moffat wrote: Yes, I've only built pure64 x86_64 LFS for the past few years. The difference in LFS is that it has the /lib64 symlinks so it isn't quite so 'clean'. Eh, it turns out it's not that hard to get rid of those. I've been playing with that over

Re: [blfs-support] 64bit lfs question

2012-12-18 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 13:48 +, lux-integ wrote: in my last clfs build I used gcc-4.6.3-pure64-1.patch is there an equivalent gcc-4.7.2-pure64-(x).patch ? See my other reply - or, just work it out for yourself like I did. It's pretty easy to look at the 4.6 patch, and apply the same

Re: [blfs-support] LXDE?

2012-12-13 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 17:05 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: When you did configure, there probably was a pkgconfig file that didn't add -lX11 when it should have. My memory is a little hazy on this, but I seem to recall reading about something affecting packages linking to libraries second hand, so

Re: [blfs-support] Gentoo

2012-12-13 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2012-12-13 at 01:14 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: Can I have interactions between the 2 projects and help one with another (i.e. using for example gentoo rules to suggest blfs instructions)? No more than any other distro. Afterall, *all* distros build from source - they just

Re: [blfs-support] Trouble with gnome-settings-daemon...

2012-12-02 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2012-12-02 at 15:01 -0800, Michael C. Robinson wrote: No package 'gsettings-desktop-schemas' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. Your answer is in the error message you've quoted. You've installed

Re: [blfs-support] Software version

2012-12-01 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 19:39 +0100, Aleksandar Kuktin wrote: Am I the only one around here who uses shell arithmetics when I want to calculate? (Sorry for the meme reference.) As in $((2+2))? I do that occasionally, but I'm more likely to just open a Python session... Simon. signature.asc

Re: [blfs-support] dbus-1.6.8 doesn't compile...

2012-11-25 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 21:26 -0800, Michael C. Robinson wrote: corrupt.c:33:37: fatal error: dbus/dbus-glib-lowlevel.h: No such file or directory compilation terminated. It would appear that a header file in dbus-glib-0.100 is needed to compile dbus-1.6.8. So trying to compile

Re: [blfs-support] browsers (was Re: Latest news in GNOME world)

2012-11-22 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 07:09 -0500, LM wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:00 AM, blfs-support-requ...@linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Yeah, that's a problem we had to deal with at work, when they switched to the rapid release cycle. But in practice, what we've ended up doing is simply ignoring it

Re: [blfs-support] browsers (was Re: Latest news in GNOME world)

2012-11-19 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 08:41 -0500, LM wrote: A lot of the major people involved in the WhatWG also seem to be the major developers involved in developing browsers. And I think that's how it should be. Along with the content producers, browser developers are the people with the biggest stake in

Re: [blfs-support] Latest news in GNOME world

2012-11-17 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2012-11-17 at 23:26 +0100, Aleksandar Kuktin wrote: I think the best thing Mozilla foundation can do, regarding the software is to stop developing it and just maintain it. But this will never happen because all those programmers, social experts, managers and what not have to eat

Re: [blfs-support] Latest news in GNOME world

2012-11-15 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 12:05 +, lux-integ wrote: Please read carefully before you start attacking people and by extension implying their abilities are inferior. This is also a form of attempted- bullying, Yes, on re-reading, I was a bit rude. My apologies. Simon. signature.asc

Re: [blfs-support] Latest news in GNOME world

2012-11-14 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 01:40 +, lux-integ wrote: Take grub2, its seems well nigh impossible to manually create a grub.cfg. A convoluted epistle is autogenerated. And yet us LFS people seem to manage. It's fiddly, certainly, but it's a complex area. Do you think you could design a better

Re: [blfs-support] gnome-tweak-tool

2012-11-13 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 11:35 +0530, James Pinto wrote: Is gnome shell 3.6 required for gnome tweak tool 3.6.1 to work, this dependency is not mentoned anywhere. Quite likely - it's probably not coincidence that the version of the tool matches the current version of the system it tweaks...

Re: [blfs-support] xorg7.7 openbox xinitrc

2012-11-11 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 14:18 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Yes, I used to run that when I had to run Windows at work. I got some very humorous reactions to those seeing it for the first time. Likewise. However, I stopped using that screensaver after some helpful person rebooted the affected

Re: [blfs-support] Latest news in GNOME world

2012-11-11 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 23:34 +0100, Armin K. wrote: And as I've read somewhere, GNOME 3.10 or 3.12 might actualy become GNOME 4 and it will be used for GNOME OS - an operating system mostly for touch devices. Be careful what you read about such things - there's a huge difference between the

Re: [blfs-support] Latest news in GNOME world

2012-11-11 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 00:00 +0100, Armin K. wrote: I forgot to mention that it is becoming more and more integrated with systemd for user session management, so it is just matter of time where systemd will be required. Yeah, that's true enough. I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing

Re: [blfs-support] xorg7.7 openbox xinitrc

2012-11-11 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 02:17 +0100, Aleksandar Kuktin wrote: Funny, a few months back, my system HDD (the one with the root directory and /usr directory) died while the system was in operation. You know how I noticed? Barely did at first, since all existing programs which were already in memory

Re: [blfs-support] kdenetwork is missing

2012-08-29 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 20:59 +0200, Ragnar Thomsen wrote: kppp: pppd frontend (who uses ppp anymore?) Mobile broadband users, actually. Dial-up internet might be a thing of the past in most parts of the world, but PPP is still used in modern wireless modems... Simon. signature.asc Description:

Re: [blfs-support] libtool gsl question

2012-05-21 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 16:49 +0100, luxInteg wrote: Greetings When I compile gsl-1.15 on by blfs box I have lines like these in the output:- /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -O3 -fexceptions -m64 -fPIC -MT init2d.lo -MD -MP -MF As

Re: [blfs-support] Thoughts on 'init-functions' and bootscript files

2012-05-06 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2012-05-05 at 16:43 -0400, alex lupu wrote: There are extraneous messages, like from Udev and USB mouse/keyboard (if any), which interfere with B/LFS bootscript console display output. That makes the boot-up display confusing and hard to read at times. You're welcome to change your

Re: [blfs-support] DBUS script in blfs-bootscripts-20120427

2012-04-29 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 20:34 -0400, alex lupu wrote: Until I figure out a way to start 'dbus-daemon' from a user login cleanly in order to quiet down Chrome, the 3.2. work-around will have to do. Thanks for the suggestions in BLFS D-BUS-1.4.20 but I've failed to find a stable and satisfactory

Re: [blfs-support] evince and gsettings

2012-04-28 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 07:52 -0700, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: On 27-04-2012 07:36, Simon Geard wrote: You didn't say what desktop you're actually running this from - is it Gnome? No. I am running openbox-3.5.0. Does it work correctly (i.e remembering settings) if run through

Re: [blfs-support] evince and gsettings

2012-04-27 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 09:39 -0700, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: LFS7.0 and 7.1 (bothsvn) When running evince from console, the following message appears: You didn't say what desktop you're actually running this from - is it Gnome? Does it work correctly (i.e remembering settings) if run

Re: [blfs-support] Gamin-0.1.10 error

2012-04-10 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2012-04-09 at 16:21 +0100, spiky wrote: I'm having a problem with gamin now. I have also tried gamin-0.1.10.2.src, which had some patches in it I have applied the patches but still the same output. Any more pointers plz Do you *really* need gamin for something? It's one of those

Re: [blfs-support] NetworkManager was: Re: Gnome 3.4

2012-04-09 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2012-04-09 at 17:33 +1000, Wayne Blaszczyk wrote: Also, starting the NetworkManager daemon causes my network interfaces to go down. This is to be expected. If you're running NM, NM is responsible for those network interfaces, and you need to configure them through NM. Trying to

Re: [blfs-support] cairo-1.12.0 text rendering buggy?

2012-04-02 Thread Simon Geard
On Sun, 2012-04-01 at 11:29 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Searching the web, I see problems reported for Arch, Ubuntu, Debian. For example: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666538 I think this has high enough visibility that it will be fixed fairly soon. That one links to

Re: [blfs-support] cairo-1.12.0 text rendering buggy?

2012-03-30 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 02:27 +0100, Andrew Benton wrote: I'm not getting any error messages anywhere so I've nothing to google on. I feel this may be a long slog getting to the bottom of this one so I though I'd ask if anyone else has some insight. Andy I don't know if it's the same issue,

Re: [blfs-support] - To Be or Not To Be

2012-03-13 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 19:42 -0500, al...@verizon.net wrote: IMHO, I think the existence of at the end of the first line of the here-document, cat .config HERE_DOC is not desired. Can you elaborate? It looks fine to me... what problem do you see? Simon. signature.asc Description: This

Re: [blfs-support] btrfs and raid

2012-03-10 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 11:03 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I haven't tried btrfs yet, but aren't you mixing apples and oranges? btrfs is a base file system in the vein of reiserfs and to a certain extent ext4, while mdadm is a tool for controlling software raid. Yes and no. Btrfs *is* a

Re: [blfs-support] Is the xc working directory necessary when building X?

2012-03-07 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 10:03 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I also have a separate partition for /usr/src so I can mount it on different builds. That's more important for blfs. Personally, I don't have a dedicated partition for it, but I do bind-mount the equivalent directory (under /home) into

Re: [blfs-support] gnome-3 is in the book

2012-03-02 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 10:46 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: They probably build all, or at least most, dependencies. They actually pay people to do that analysis. More than that, they employ many of the people who actually write the software they package. For Gnome in particular, it probably pays

Re: [blfs-support] upower : configuration ?

2012-02-25 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 00:14 +, Ken Moffat wrote: or perhaps upower actually needs pm-utils at runtime, even on a desktop ? I wouldn't rule it out. A desktop might not have a battery, but it's still eligible to be suspended/hibernated, no different to any laptop in that regard. Simon.

Re: [blfs-support] Make 3.82 Dev86src triple bug fixes patch

2012-02-18 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 07:03 -0500, Michael Shell wrote: Eric S. Raymond even once wrote in one of his books that he wished the original author of make had never relied on tabs in the first place. He, and every other developer who's ever worked with Makefiles. It was a very unfortunate

Re: [blfs-support] gnome-3 progress report

2012-02-18 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 00:00 +, Ken Moffat wrote: People might wonder what the point of gnome-3 is. It seems to be targetted at tablet or netbook users, who I guess are not typically BLFS users. On the contrary - it's awful on small screens, though more due to the overly-padded default

Re: [blfs-support] Linux-PAM-1.1.5 fatal error: rpc/rpc.h: No such file or directory

2012-02-03 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 19:41 +0100, Ronnie van Aarle wrote: Instead of that, I added --disable-nis to ./configure which worked fine for me. Yes, for the majority of users, that's the easiest solution. Simon. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part --

Re: [blfs-support] Print screen options

2012-01-21 Thread Simon Geard
On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 19:12 +, spiky wrote: I did find a screen dump app for xfce but was hoping I had missed 1 in blfs which wasn't full of dependecies from kde/gnome. Consider the one provided by Gnome (either in the gnome-utils package for current versions, or standalone as

Re: [blfs-support] totem-3.2.1

2012-01-19 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 17:22 +, Ken Moffat wrote: GLib-GIO-Message: Using the 'memory' GSettings backend. Your settings will not be saved or shared with other applications. (that one is from a non-gnome desktop - needs one of the gnome daemons, probably gnome-settings-daemon which is

Re: [blfs-support] No Phonon backends listed in system settings

2012-01-18 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2012-01-16 at 21:15 +, Ken Moffat wrote: So, my assumption is that Pulse may need extra steps to get it to work outside a gnome desktop. Yes, it needs the user to run /usr/bin/pulseaudio, I believe. Under Gnome, this would be done automatically by the session manager, but I guess

Re: [blfs-support] XWindows - SO Close - but no xtrans

2012-01-18 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 17:31 -0700, jasonps...@jegas.com wrote: I think between you and FireRat - I get the impression I should master both VIM and LESS. You know 'less' is just a pager, right? It doesn't take much mastering... page up/down, home/end, arrow keys to scroll, '/' and '?' to

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