Re: Installing Fedora and other Linux systems

2017-06-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Le 29/06/2017 à 12:29, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : Hi all. After using Windows for a month, after using Linux for two months, I've noticed that everything that I do on Windows, I could do on Windows, and with the Braille note Touch, I can get the Exchange emails from

Re: sound devices in gnome

2017-07-05 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
+02:00, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>: > The below advice assumes pulseaudio is being used. There are some of us, > not just AT users but also professional musicians and audio > professionals, who prefer to avoid pulseaudio. > > And therein hangs

Re: sound devices in gnome

2017-07-05 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hi, Where do you try to select the sound card? In gnome-control-center -> Sound? If so, try Pulseaudio Volume Control (pavucontrol), or vise versa - if that's what you're using til now, try gnome-control-center -> Sound. -- Best wishes, Zahari Linux for blind general discussion wrot

Dectalk pronounciations

2017-07-05 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
How do I get dectalk to say z instead of zed? It only seems to do it in certain places, but I'd rather it not do it at all. Suggestions? Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Everything happens after coffee! ___ Blinux-list mailing list

Re: help editinf files with audacity

2017-06-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
can use: sox source.mp3 -n stat Total length is in the second line of output. hth Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Hi all, Mark Peveto here. Looking for some help with audacity. I've heard > folks sware up and down that it's accessible in Linux, but I sure can't &g

Re: Installing Linux on the Mac without sighted assitance?

2017-06-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
that install from within the OS X environment using a virtual machine manager like VMware or VirtualBox on the Mac. Handy. If you're looking to also support a boot of Microsoft Windows, things get a bit more complex. I'd recommend googling for something like: osx "triple boot" hth Janina Linux

Re: help editinf files with audacity

2017-06-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Probably the best thing to do before you hit the delete key is to verify your selection. The space bar will play your selected audio, and then if you need to extend it to the left, you can use shift+left arrow, or use shift+right arrow to extend it to the right. If you need to shorten the

Re: help editinf files with audacity

2017-06-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Nothing I try seems to work in audacity. Is there anything that might be easier to use?\ Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Everything happens after coffee! On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Probably the best thing to do before you hit the del

Installing Linux on the Mac without sighted assitance?

2017-06-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Has anyone partitioned a Mac, installed Linux on one partition and kept MacOS on the other? What tools should I use? Was any part of the process inaccessible? ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com

Re: Dectalk pronounciations

2017-07-06 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello thanks fore that info now I just have to see if I stilll have my copy of dectalk 5 when fonix owned them were talking years and years ago On 7/6/2017 2:46 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: You hafta edit /etc/modules, and put in the line speakup_dectlk Make sure any other

Re: error when runing apt-get update\

2017-07-07 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Le 07/07/2017 à 00:17, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : Hi folks, How do I fix this error message? Reading package lists... Done W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://linux.dropbox.com/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
According to Jeffery Wright: they're only against the proposal because they didn't propose it) Having been a member of the ACB and also attended NFB meetings in the past, this is the attitude I've seen on both sides. The NFB does seem to make their positions that match that philosophy more

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
(CJ) chaltain at Gmail On 25/04/17 09:01, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Sometimes that slogan about the perfect being the enemy of the good is useful, sometimes not. In this instance, I'm inclined to think it's not. Sighted people as a group disagree on a great many things, and vary

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
to allow wheelchair access. And it is now just considered part of the cost of doing business in this country. How did they do it? How did partially paralysed people get those things done? They don't fight among themselves like we do. -- John Heim On 04/25/2017 07:42 PM, Linux for blind

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
suck, but it didn't occur to me. I probably should have stuck to guzzling coffee and studying assembly. (another grimace) Al On 04/25/2017 08:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: yeah, they kept trying to make me use "their" brand of cane. One small problem, the tips woul

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
The ACB's lawsuit against the U.S. Department of the Treasury to make them make money accessible was already flawed to say the least. According to the United States Constitution, the power to design money has been delegated to Congress, and the Department of the Treasury is only responsible

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
, etc. There is so much to do that I don't think a dozen nonprofits could do it all. On 4/23/2017 11:52 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Wait, isn't Orca just a Gnome thing altogether? since RH uses Gnome, Orca comes by default. I seriously think not one

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: NFB members at a training center alienated me through their rigid insistence on straight canes and failure to account for the multiply-disabled or congenitally blind in training methods. I also couldn't stomach their idea that I should run all my words

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
upstreams unless they really go out of their way to accomodate us poor blind folks. It shouldn't be that way! Most of them have never heard of us and have no idea what we need, how to help or what to do. On 4/24/2017 5:40 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Tony, I said absolute

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
or say the time? Fortunately, that's why hotkeys can easily be modified. As I said, nothing is stopping you or anyone from developing an addon or plugin to customize hotkeys to act like another screen reader. On 4/24/2017 7:32 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Don't let

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
in opensuse as you say, you should be able to get and extract the RPM package. If you find it and get it working, I would be interested. On 4/24/2017 6:05 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I haven't ever found the SBL source code, although I did want to try to package it for Arch at one

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Addendum to my previous post: Regarding boot messages, even back when I could see, assuming whichever distro I was using didn't cover them with a splash screen, I can't say they were ever all that useful when things went wrong to the point of things not booting. In most cases, I usually used such

RE: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I would have to say I don’t like ither group. Seth Hurst From: Linux for blind general discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 09:39 To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: OT: ACB & NFB I am a member of the NFB of Dane County (Wisconsin) and it's great. I have met the most unbeliev

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hi, John. I love that last bit! And yeah, I agree, if I understand you right, that we should try to be our best, individually and collectively. AlOn 04/26/2017 09:08 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: It's not really your fault, Al. It's mine. I'll admit that this thing about

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
itself. So really, I’ll take a /few/ bugs for freedom and updated packages any day.. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes: > Tony Baechl

talking boot (was: Sonar)

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
dpress. I did everything on the wordpress "How to fix the white screen of death" page but it didn't help. I finally totally reinstalled. -- John Heim On 04/26/2017 06:04 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Tony Baechler here. On 4/24/2017 1:46 PM, Linux for blind gene

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
't intend to start an NFB vs ACB debate. I deliberately titled the thread NFB *and* ACB as if that would matter. Stupid. -- John Heim On 04/26/2017 06:28 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Tony Baechler here. I don't know who you are, but I thank you! I couldn't agree mo

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I've also turned that bridge line on my dad when he complains about me going barefoot in public and mentions that no one else is barefoot. But yeah, polarization is everywhere these days, too many people take even minor disagreements as blasphemy, and moderates and voice of reason types more

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
guess there would be some reason they are jumping off a bridge. It depends on what that reason was." -- John Heim On 04/25/2017 09:30 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Sometimes being inflexible is a good thing, sometimes a bad one. It's often but not always easy to know

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
perspective. > > PS: It was probably really stupid of me to start this thread. I didn't > intend to start an NFB vs ACB debate. I deliberately titled the thread > NFB *and* ACB as if that would matter. Stupid. > > -- John Heim > > > > On 04/26/2017 06:28 AM, Linux fo

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
t something real. Real things smell, sound, taste and/or feel. When you can show it to me we'll talk. As far as I'm concerned (and my perception is all that matters) nothing looks. They're left speechless. Amanda On 4/26/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wro

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Glad I'm not the only one on this list who refuses to let social "norms" cut off a significant portion of an important sense that most sighted people so under utilize that they might as well be numb. And the thing is, my dad is the only person who has criticized my choice in footwear, so I can

Options (was: Sonar )

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
the name would imply. I've done probably 50 automated installs over the past few weeks and I have been very impressed with debian testing/stretch. -- John Heim On 04/26/2017 04:22 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: #+OPTIONS: latex:t toc:nil H:3 So, if Debian is all we have, pretty much

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony and all, I myself am completely opposed to a screen reader being locked into a kernel, and have been for many years, for very good, technical, non-political reasons. Text mode is exactly this: text mode. The layout of the entire screen is available as plain text and some other character

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony, If you found bash scripts, rather than sbl, you probably found the Adrienne[spelling] menu system. SBL is the screen reader that should be running as a daemon before the menu system starts, although I can't say I'm well versed on the subject, as I found the Adrienne menu system to be

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I would argue that the pronunciation of symbols should most certainly be handled by the synthesizer rather than any intermediate layer. Letting the intermediate layers handle symbol pronunciation will only cause lots of problems similar to the "tiflda" problem we have in Speakup to this day.

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Sure, let synthesizers handle ASCII text, but give synthesizers the textual pronunciation of Unicode characters, such as smiling face. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-l

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
...@iavit.org. Anybody not on that list can subscribe by sending a message to talk-subscr...@iavit.org. --John Heim On 04/27/2017 06:15 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I agree with you, but when you say schools, you mean the government. They provide the majority of funding schools

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
? And that is a good point. Although, you can also configure those messages to go to a serial synth and hear them as well. I don't know if that works with all serial synths but I know it works with a doubletalk LT and a tripletalk. -- John Heim On 04/26/2017 08:58 PM, Linux for blind general

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
As I remember, Windows was always harder to install than Linux, even as a sighted user. Granted, I think part of this is that Windows still comes pre-installed on most PCs and has had this privilege since at least the Win9x days while PCs with Linux pre-installed are still fairly rare(hell, even

Re: list identification:

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
ave called it blinux? I figured since it is hosted by IAVIT, that would be redundant. On 04/27/2017 06:11 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Kelly here. You have valid points. I also believe the blind have different needs then does many other disabilities. Why not go with iavit.org. The lis

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
for blind general discussion wrote: Tony and all, I myself am completely opposed to a screen reader being locked into a kernel, and have been for many years, for very good, technical, non-political reasons. Text mode is exactly this: text mode. The layout of the entire screen is available

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Oh wow thanks for the link to the SBL source! I wasn't aware it still existed anywhere other than old OpenSUSE and Knoppix. Hopefully I can get this working on Arch and possibly Fedora as well. If it works, there should be no objections on technical grounds for getting it packaged for many

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I clearly recall stating that the serial console is *not* kernel dependent. I clearly stated that I can get *boot loader* messages using my computer's serial console, which are printed to the output device long before the kernel starts. If my kernel fails to start for any reason, I know it,

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
to the text screen that is available there. This would make for a system that could be accessible to those of us with no light perception and would be terminated after exiting the EFI console. THoughts? -eric On Apr 26, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Tony and all,

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
start with them, as Orca works best with Firefox for web browsing. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes: > Tony Baechler here. > > Your comments

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
which became Bex, a program to make AppleWorks accessible and eventually Mega Dots for the PC. The point is it can be done and it wouldn't be that difficult, especially with a good social media presence. On 4/24/2017 4:56 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Kelly Prescott here

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
this, it doesn't and the DOJ seems in no hurry to do much about it. In the UK, companies have been sued for not making their sites accessible and were forced to comply. I've visited several UK-based sites and I've noticed that they are almost always more accessible. On 4/24/2017 8:18 AM, Linux for blind

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
. One area where Linux shines is there are distros which only require a key or two at boot to have a fully talking installer which is identical to what the sighted use. Even the Mac can't do that, although one can start VoiceOver during the installation. On 4/24/2017 8:21 AM, Linux for bli

Re: list identification:

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
and what key should announce the time, with the end result being that we're asked to go elsewhere. By all means, definitely post to those other lists, but I don't think they should be the main platform to replace this list. On 4/23/2017 4:25 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I would

Re: list identification:

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
as John has pointed out several times. The url to join the list in case people need it is: http://iavit.org/community.php#lists -- Kelly Prescott On Thu, 27 Apr 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Tony Baechler here. I'm already doing this. It's a pain though and I'm going to leave

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I agree with you, but when you say schools, you mean the government. They provide the majority of funding schools use for that sort of thing. I did not think of a grant writer. That sounds like a good place to start. --Kelly Prescott On Thu, 27 Apr 2017, Linux for blind general discussion

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
? Lee On Thu, 27 Apr 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Tony Baechler here. > > Your comments again emphasize the need for a nonprofit organization. I > wouldn't worry too much about the money. Funding will happen once the word > gets out. Oh, it takes time and it won

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes: > I don't understand the advantage an ASCII speech synthesizer has over > a unicode speech synthesizer, or the advantage of having an > intermediary betw

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
At this point, speech-dispatcher is not designed to be a text processor, as correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe it assumes that supported synthesizers already have built in text processing capabilities. Any pronunciation handling in either speech-dispatcher or a screen reader should

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
and the installed system will meet FSF's requirements for freedom. I didn't find it easily at first, but using "laptop" in the search field gave me results. Hope this is useful. Al On 04/27/2017 11:03 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, Jean-Philippe ME

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes: > At this point, speech-dispatcher is not designed to be a text > processor, as correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believ

Re: OT: ACB & NFB (was: Sonar)

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
, this is what happens when you put lawyers in charge! :) The ACB is the same way, but on differing issues. anyway, thats my 2 cents worth for what it is. -eric On Apr 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > The problem with having 2 different advocacy groups is that t

Re: OT: ACB & NFB (was: Sonar)

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
For what it's worth, I'm all for abolishing currency and avoided cash transactions as much as possible even before I went blind(and I think it criminal that credit card companies are allowed to charge merchants for the privilege of accepting payment with their cards). That said, that US nickels,

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Heim . On 04/24/2017 07:15 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: The serial terminal is indeed built into the kernel, but the difference is that it isn't stuck in staging with no hope of ever getting out into the main tree. In fact, the serial terminal has been a part of the base kernel

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm Tony Baechler. Probably others will comment, but having looked at the NVDA git repo and following the Orca list, I would like to clarify some things. On 4/23/2017 2:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: And even if the NV association had any interest in branching out, I suspect

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm Tony Baechler. See below. On 4/23/2017 3:11 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Absolutely. For a number of years now, I've thought it would be nice to have an umbrella foundation to help accessibility related projects. I don't know where it would get its funding, and I don't

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
You're replying to me. I'm Tony Baechler. On 4/23/2017 10:38 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I'm not sure who I'm replying to, but I just have a few points. Vinux 4 and Vinux 5 were based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 respectively, which I think were the high points in Ubuntu

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm Tony Baechler. I have a really dumb question. On 4/23/2017 3:14 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Ubuntu is based off of Debian, but Fedora is not a derivative of another Linux distribution and has a more direct relationship with many upstream projects by using newer versions

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
about accessibility, so just on principle, I think it's time to move on. Sorry for my rant. See below. On 4/23/2017 10:00 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: differing arches all have the same source in common. So, maintaining for them is actually easier than you might think. All

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm Tony Baechler. Comments below. On 4/23/2017 3:45 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Nor is it mine. Which is exactly why I prefer the likes of Fedora and OpenSUSE over Debian or even Arch. I have installed both Fedora and OpenSUSE for clients, and they never have any trouble

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
This is Luke Yelavich, reply below. On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 09:23:19PM AEST, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Screen readers cannot give boot messages anyways, with software speech. Actually, with things set up correctly to allow the screen reader to come up as early as possi

Re: list identification:

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hej, On Mo, Apr 24, 2017 at 08:24:54 +0200, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >you wrote: > >> blinux-list is no longer sending 'From' addresses because of a spammer >> abusing these addresses. > >This new behaviour gets the list reading cumbersome and >

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2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
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Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm Tony Baechler. See below. On 4/23/2017 3:49 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Granted, I could be wrong and the only reason there isn't a .deb for NVDA or an install.exe for Orca is because no one's tried compiling them outside their native environments

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm Tony Baechler. See below. On 4/23/2017 4:13 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I'd be interested in knowing the number of blind people using GNU/Linux in the world, for daily life (so with browser, GUI, etc). I'm still mostly on Windows XP, but I use Linux on an almost daily

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
No. Long-time Jaws and NVDA users can figure out that t stands for time and use that instead, just like all the rest of us who used something else before we got to Orca. And if they really want something as stupid as f12, they can configure it in Orca's keybindings tab. ~Kyle

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Kelly Prescott here. This is only my $0.02 worth as a developer, but here I go. I can program, in several languages in fact. Here is the problem. Most people that write for Linux and free software in general do it on there own time. Yes, there are a small group of highly paid developers that

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Le 24/04/2017 à 02:29, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > *Does quick test* At least on my system, using ctrl+left square > bracket to go back a page in Firefox puts focus on the link that took > me forward, though I'll admit behavior isn't always consistent. > > As f

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony, TalkingArch won't die. It used to have a single developer before those of us who maintain it now took over. The transition ran quite smoothly, and it didn't die. Since we now have two people instead of one, it has even less of a chance of dying in the future. So TalkingArch is slightly

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
over the years. I do think it would be a very good idea to get this list off of their infrastructure. As I posted elsewhere, I'm not sure that fsf.org or gnu.org are good choices. On 4/24/2017 4:14 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Tony, First of all, as far as I've been able

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony, First of all, as far as I've been able to deduce over the years, everyone *cares* about accessibility. The problem is that no one *knows how* to best address any issues with it. Red Hat certainly does care. If they didn't care, they wouldn't ship Orca, or they wouldn't implement the

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Le 24/04/2017 à 02:24, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > Orca only *seems* slightly slower than NVDA to some because it works > directly with the browser. I'll take that any day over a page taking > twice as long to load because it first has to be loaded into the

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm Tony Baechler. See below. I disagree from experience. On 4/23/2017 4:53 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Honestly, there isn't any distro I could in good conscience recommend to a new Linux user blind or otherwise without caveats. Debian Stable is usually rock solid

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-24 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony, your dad sounds a few orders of magnitude more tech savvy than my dad, though considering my dad is older than ENIAC, maybe it's a bit unfair of me to use my dad as my reference model of a non-power user. Still, my dad can turn the thing on, use a web browser, play solitaire, turn it off,

OT: ACB & NFB (was: Sonar)

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
was right, we don't need accessible money. But the NFB itself had been arguing for that for years. On 04/25/2017 10:29 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I know next to nothing about the NFB and ACB, and I could've sworn there was an AFB in there somewhere, but unless one organization i

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes: > Sure, let synthesizers handle ASCII text, but give synthesizers the > textual pronunciation of Unicode characters, such as smiling face. Chris Brannon here. This works fine if you assume that everyone w

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes: > Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes: > >> Sure, let synthesizers handle ASCII text, but give synthesizers the >> textual pronunciation of Unicode characters, such as smiling face. > > C

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 02:27:12AM AEST, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > At this point, speech-dispatcher is not designed to be a text processor, as > correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe it assumes that supported > synthesizers already have built in text processing cap

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
if there is a hardware speech synth attached to the serial port or a terminal emulator? Well, clearly this is hopeless. Fortunately, it's not up to you anyway. -- John Heim On 04/27/2017 02:48 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: The boot messages I receive from my computer before the kernel starts

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
According to Jean-Philippe MENGUAL: # That is why I think we should have pre-installed Linux computers, new, but to a typical Mac price. Not at all. I for one don't want to have to pay the ridiculous price of a Mac, and adding to the price certainly doesn't add to the value of the computer,

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
According to r.d.t.prater: # Otherwise, they’ll turn back to iOS, and Voiceover, # which can speak Emoji and such, pretty quickly. Not quite. I happen to know that Android and Google's speech synthesizer can speak emojis as well, and has had such capability for some time. On my Android

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hey, Eric, you a Naruto fan, or did you go for the Sharingan just because it looks cool? Anyways, I'm not shy talking about my poor vision whenever people ask me about it, either in real life or online. Treating the subject as taboo just promotes ignorance, and I'd argue ignorance, moreso than

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
. It works. :) -eric On Apr 28, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hey, Eric, you a Naruto fan, or did you go for the Sharingan just > because it looks cool? > > Anyways, I'm not shy talking about my poor vision whenever people ask > me about it, either in real

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
According to eric oyen: # In fact, the sense I get is that we (the blind) aren't really even considered human. As long as we continue to consider ourselves to be "the blind" rather than people who happen to be blind or visually impaired, we will continue to be viewed as less than human. I am

THE BLIND

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
on the topic here. Strike one. sent from the city with both Celtics and Red Sox victories tonight Al On 4/28/2017 10:38 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: According to eric oyen: # In fact, the sense I get is that we (the blind) aren't really even considered human. As long as we

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
public (and their perception), etc. It's a nice big can of worms and we all have to deal with it at some point. -eric On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > According to eric oyen: > # In fact, the sense I get is that we (the blind) aren't really even > c

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Yes, it does sound quite striking, and the use of blue probably makes it stand out more than if you had gone with red like in the series. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle.

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
as an industry sponsor. Also, the free software foundation and the EFF. You start getting big names like this involved and things start to happen. anyway, thats my take on the issues and how to solve some of them. -eric On Apr 28, 2017, at 6:20 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >

Re: Fwd: accessible web-authoring system

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Well, there's always Emacs, with Emacspeak, and Org-mode. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes: > hey guys, > I forwarded this over from the P

ADRIANE

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hi, Scince this set of scripts was mentioned multiple times, I've decided to find it and try it. I found: http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/packages/adriane/ So I downloaded it all: wget -rpk -l 5 -np -U Mozilla http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/packages/adriane/ All files are only

Re: ADRIANE

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I believe Knoppix 7.7.2 ships with Adriane 1.7-6, not that I could tell you what changed between the two versions. I can tell you that at least two of the individual components of Adriane may give you dependency issues: Adriane-screenreader depends on sbl, and while there are .debs for sbl

Re: SBL

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. On 4/28/2017 6:25 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: 2. It requires a patched 2.2 kernel. Version 2.2 is rather ancient and long since dead. I didn't see a way in my quick reading of the docs to use newer kernels. Thats right if you want to use sbl

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> writes: > Tony Baechler here. > > On 4/28/2017 6:20 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> Now that I think about it, I have no idea what the mixt

Re: Fwd: accessible web-authoring system

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: hey guys, I forwarded this over from the Phoenix Linux Users Group. Perhaps one of us can help out? -eric Begin forwarded message: From: "der.hans" <pl...@lufthans.com> Subject: accessible web-authoring system Date: April 28, 2017

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