Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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I'm getting on a Debian fork project for blinds if you want some help
... (even in french)

2018-02-22 12:23 UTC−05:00, Linux for blind general discussion
:
> I don't see the message you're referring to, so I may be getting some of
> this out of context.
>
>
> You can use an ISO directly if you're going to install to a virtual
> machine. Otherwise, I think you need some install media, like a CD, DVD
> or USB stick. You can't install a new operating system from a .deb file.
> There are also network installs, but I'm not sure if you can start these
> from a running operating system or not.
>
>
> I defer to others with more knowledge and experience in this area.
>
>
> On 02/22/2018 09:53 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Thanks, but would like to use an image directly from the hard-drive.
>> As another idea, what about any convertion tools from an .iso to a dot
>> deb? Thanks again
>> Chime
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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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I don't see the message you're referring to, so I may be getting some of 
this out of context.



You can use an ISO directly if you're going to install to a virtual 
machine. Otherwise, I think you need some install media, like a CD, DVD 
or USB stick. You can't install a new operating system from a .deb file. 
There are also network installs, but I'm not sure if you can start these 
from a running operating system or not.



I defer to others with more knowledge and experience in this area.


On 02/22/2018 09:53 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Thanks, but would like to use an image directly from the hard-drive. 
As another idea, what about any convertion tools from an .iso to a dot 
deb? Thanks again

Chime

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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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You might be able to use debootstrap.  I've never done it that way, 
maybe others on this list have.


On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:


Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:53:25
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

Thanks, but would like to use an image directly from the hard-drive. As 
another idea, what about any convertion tools from an .iso to a dot deb? 
Thanks again

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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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Just for your information Slax, initially based on Slackware, is now based on 
Debian stable, Cf. http://www.slax.org/en/

Le 22/02/2018 à 17:20, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> well, there are several distr.'s that have accessibility built in and ready 
> to go right from the start.
> 
> Ubuntu, Vinux, Slax (A version of slack ware) and a few others. I use Ubuntu 
> here and I can do the entire install without sighted assistance right from 
> boot up.
> 
> SInce you are new, there are some preset configurations that might work for 
> you and those will be listed in the install matrix. I am an old hand and 
> often change those to meet my needs at the time.
> 
> anyway, I hope this helps (even a little).
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Feb 22, 2018, at 4:12 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone have a recipe for installing Linux for a blind person. I
>> am asking because I never done it before.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jimmy
>> nui.fr
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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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Why it is slint will be easier is you get a curses text interface to 
deal with on the installer not a gui environment already running in 
orca.  There are places in orca with installers that don't even speak 
even with orca review mode on and for a user to do an orca install they 
need some familiarity with orca ahead of time.  No such requirement 
exists for slint.


On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:


Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:38:56
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

Hello

Le 22/02/2018 ? 12:53, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit?:

Yes, download and install slint.? Much easier install than ubuntu and similar 
distros.


I confirm (I am Slint's creator and maintainer).
Some links:

http://slint.fr/wiki//en/start
(la traduction en Fra?ais est en retrd).
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/README-14.2.1.1
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/ACCESSIBILITY
mailing list:
http://slint.fr/mailman/listinfo/slint_slint.fr
Tu peux y poster en Fran?ais
Forum: https://forum.salixos.org/viewforum.php?f=44
Tu peux poser en Fran?ais, et aussi ici:
https://forum.salixos.org/viewforum.php?f=27
(forum commun avec Salix).

Greetings,
Didier Spaier
<didier~at~slint~dot~fr>


On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:


Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 06:12:56
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Linux distribution for the blind these days

Hi,

Does anyone have a recipe for installing Linux for a blind person. I
am asking because I never done it before.

Cheers,
Jimmy
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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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Hello Harmony,

Le 22/02/2018 à 16:07, Harmony a écrit :
> How do you create an operating system like Slint? Do you not need a 
> bigger operating system to build it on top of,like a host?

I took Slackware as a basis and modified it. Main modifications:

1. The installer is polyglot and accessible with braille and speech.
2. The installed system is accessible with braille and speech, in text
aka console mode as in graphical environments. So, Slint can be
installed then used without a sighted assistance.
3. The system is pre-configured at time of installation.
4. Additional accessible tools ease administration and package
management. They are mostly borrowed to or also used by Salix.
5. Added packages not shipped in Slackware like e.g. pandoc and vlc,
claws-mail, doclifter, geany, MATE and LXDE desktops, compiz, inkscape,
po4a, scribus, LibreOffice, all shipped in the same ISO and installed at
once. KDE is also shipped in the ISO but its installation is optional.
6 The login managers (aka display managers) gdm2 and lightdm are added,
with speech optional. LXDM is also added but don't speak.
7 Handy in-house tools like login-chooser (choose how to login, in text
mode or with one of the display  managers available, with or without
speech), orca-on and orca-off (to enable or disable speech in graphical
environments as regular user), session-chooser (to choose the default
graphical environments among blackbox, fluxbox, mate, twm, windowmaker,
xfce, and KDE if installed). Be aware that TWM and KDE are not really
accessible.
8. Access to trusted extra packages repositories.

> Is Slint Debian-based, Red-Hat Based, or does it use its own package 
> manager?

Slint is Slackware based and includes Slackware's packages management
system and tools plus slapt-get (similar to slapt-get) and its GTK GUI
gslapt, slapt-src (to help build and install additional packages) and
its GTK GUI Sourcery, and spi (installs extra packages if available,
else build them if sources are available in a trusted repo, with
dependency resolution). Kind of a slapt-src + slapt-get front end,
written by George Vlahavas, Salix maintainer.

If anyone wonders neither Slackware nor Slint use systemd so far. The
init system is made of shell scripts.

Sorry if you expected a shorter answer...

Greetings

Didier 

> -Harmony
> 
> On 22/02/2018 04:38, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> Le 22/02/2018 à 12:53, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
>>> Yes, download and install slint.  Much easier install than ubuntu and 
>>> similar distros.
>> I confirm (I am Slint's creator and maintainer).
>> Some links:
>>
>> http://slint.fr/wiki//en/start
>> (la traduction en Fraçais est en retrd).
>> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/README-14.2.1.1
>> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/ACCESSIBILITY
>> mailing list:
>> http://slint.fr/mailman/listinfo/slint_slint.fr
>> Tu peux y poster en Français
>> Forum: https://forum.salixos.org/viewforum.php?f=44
>> Tu peux poser en Français, et aussi ici:
>> https://forum.salixos.org/viewforum.php?f=27
>> (forum commun avec Salix).
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Didier Spaier
>> <didier~at~slint~dot~fr>
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 06:12:56
>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> Subject: Linux distribution for the blind these days
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a recipe for installing Linux for a blind person. I
>>>> am asking because I never done it before.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jimmy
>>>> nui.fr
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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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well, there are several distr.'s that have accessibility built in and ready to 
go right from the start.

Ubuntu, Vinux, Slax (A version of slack ware) and a few others. I use Ubuntu 
here and I can do the entire install without sighted assistance right from boot 
up.

SInce you are new, there are some preset configurations that might work for you 
and those will be listed in the install matrix. I am an old hand and often 
change those to meet my needs at the time.

anyway, I hope this helps (even a little).

-eric

On Feb 22, 2018, at 4:12 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone have a recipe for installing Linux for a blind person. I
> am asking because I never done it before.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jimmy
> nui.fr
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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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Thanks, but would like to use an image directly from the hard-drive. As another 
idea, what about any convertion tools from an .iso to a dot deb? Thanks again

Chime

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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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Do you have an USB stick and can your computer / laptop boot from USB? 
If yes, you can download an image and copy it with dd to the usb stick, 
all data on the stick will get lost. Then boot from the stick and 
install the system with braille and / or speech support...

Cheers,

  Schoepp

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 07:45:02AM -0800, Linux for blind general discussion 
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>I hope as a related inquiree, can some1 please inform if there are easy ways
>of installing Debian from an iso image, without burning CDS or a dVD? I
>really wanna switch from Ubuntu 17.10 to Debian! Thanks so much in advance
>Chime
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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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I hope as a related inquiree, can some1 please inform if there are easy ways of 
installing Debian from an iso image, without burning CDS or a dVD? I really 
wanna switch from Ubuntu 17.10 to Debian! Thanks so much in advance

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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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How do you create an operating system like Slint? Do you not need a 
bigger operating system to build it on top of,like a host?

Is Slint Debian-based, Red-Hat Based, or does it use its own package 
manager?

-Harmony


On 22/02/2018 04:38, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hello
>
> Le 22/02/2018 à 12:53, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
>> Yes, download and install slint.  Much easier install than ubuntu and 
>> similar distros.
> I confirm (I am Slint's creator and maintainer).
> Some links:
>
> http://slint.fr/wiki//en/start
> (la traduction en Fraçais est en retrd).
> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/README-14.2.1.1
> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/ACCESSIBILITY
> mailing list:
> http://slint.fr/mailman/listinfo/slint_slint.fr
> Tu peux y poster en Français
> Forum: https://forum.salixos.org/viewforum.php?f=44
> Tu peux poser en Français, et aussi ici:
> https://forum.salixos.org/viewforum.php?f=27
> (forum commun avec Salix).
>
> Greetings,
> Didier Spaier
> <didier~at~slint~dot~fr>
>
>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 06:12:56
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> Subject: Linux distribution for the blind these days
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a recipe for installing Linux for a blind person. I
>>> am asking because I never done it before.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jimmy
>>> nui.fr
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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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Hello

Le 22/02/2018 à 12:53, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> Yes, download and install slint.  Much easier install than ubuntu and similar 
> distros.

I confirm (I am Slint's creator and maintainer).
Some links:

http://slint.fr/wiki//en/start
(la traduction en Fraçais est en retrd).
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/README-14.2.1.1
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/ACCESSIBILITY
mailing list:
http://slint.fr/mailman/listinfo/slint_slint.fr
Tu peux y poster en Français
Forum: https://forum.salixos.org/viewforum.php?f=44
Tu peux poser en Français, et aussi ici:
https://forum.salixos.org/viewforum.php?f=27
(forum commun avec Salix).

Greetings,
Didier Spaier
<didier~at~slint~dot~fr>

> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
>> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 06:12:56
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>> Subject: Linux distribution for the blind these days
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone have a recipe for installing Linux for a blind person. I
>> am asking because I never done it before.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jimmy
>> nui.fr
>>
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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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Yes, download and install slint.  Much easier install than ubuntu and 
similar distros.


On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:


Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 06:12:56
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Linux distribution for the blind these days

Hi,

Does anyone have a recipe for installing Linux for a blind person. I
am asking because I never done it before.

Cheers,
Jimmy
nui.fr

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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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I have a Debian 8 Jessie VPS, but I think you might be looking for an 
ISO image.

I would be interested in getting one as well. Can you download a copy 
from http://www.Debian.org/?

-Harmony


On 22/02/2018 03:20, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Le 22/02/2018 à 12:12, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
>> Does anyone have a recipe for installing Linux for a blind person. I
>> am asking because I never done it before.
>
> Yes, Debian is a great distribution for people with accessibility 
> needs like blind people.
>
> If you expect help in  French, you could join the CBLX mailing list:
> To subscribe: carrefourblinux-requ...@lists.tuxfamily.org with subject 
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> Archive: 
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Re: Linux distribution for the blind these days

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Le 22/02/2018 à 12:12, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :

Does anyone have a recipe for installing Linux for a blind person. I
am asking because I never done it before.


Yes, Debian is a great distribution for people with accessibility needs 
like blind people.


If you expect help in  French, you could join the CBLX mailing list:
To subscribe: carrefourblinux-requ...@lists.tuxfamily.org with subject 
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Archive: http://listengine.tuxfamily.org/lists.tuxfamily.org/carrefourblinux

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Hi,

Does anyone have a recipe for installing Linux for a blind person. I
am asking because I never done it before.

Cheers,
Jimmy
nui.fr

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