Re: [Bloat] [iccrg] [aqm] AQM deployment status?

2013-09-25 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:31:21PM +, Eggert, Lars wrote: Most routers/switches/access equipment support RFC 2309, which is a description of RED. I've heard that statement from many different people. I wonder if it is actually true. Is there any hard data on this? I don't have hard data,

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] TSO sizing fixes and the new paced fq scheduler in Linux 3.12

2013-09-25 Thread Eric Dumazet
On Tue, 2013-09-24 at 14:25 +0200, James Roberts wrote: No one responded to Luca's Sept 1 comment (on the bloat list) that the new code seems to do tail drop rather than longest queue drop. If this is so, bandwidth sharing will not be fair since FQ alone is not enough. This was shown in

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] TSO sizing fixes and the new paced fq scheduler in Linux 3.12

2013-09-25 Thread Luca MUSCARIELLO
Le 25/09/2013 17:15, Eric Dumazet a écrit : On Tue, 2013-09-24 at 14:25 +0200, James Roberts wrote: No one responded to Luca's Sept 1 comment (on the bloat list) that the new code seems to do tail drop rather than longest queue drop. If this is so, bandwidth sharing will not be fair since FQ

[Bloat] Next devices?

2013-09-25 Thread Sandy McArthur
I'm finding the WNDR3700v1 or WNDR3800 increasingly hard to find at reasonable priced. Any news/thoughts as to the next recommended device? -- Sandy McArthur ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] TSO sizing fixes and the new paced fq scheduler in Linux 3.12

2013-09-25 Thread Eric Dumazet
On Wed, 2013-09-25 at 17:38 +0200, Luca MUSCARIELLO wrote: Then, I feel like FQ is a bad name to call this newFQ. It's an implementation of a fair TCP pacer. Which is very useful, but FQ is kind of misleading, IMHO. No problem, feel free to send a patch. I am very bad at choosing names.

Re: [Bloat] Next devices?

2013-09-25 Thread Sandy McArthur
I have before. The second refurb I bought was a dud and required a return so I'm a little shy of refurbs. (it had a rattle, likely damaged in shipping.) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Kelvin Edmison kel...@edmison.net wrote: Would you consider refurbished equipment? I just picked up 2

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

2013-09-25 Thread Naeem Khademi
Thanks Shahid Although interesting to know that (W)RED has made it into some hardware (in your RE to Lars' point), my question is more about deployment at the edge or the core, whether it's being used or not? Cheers, Naeem On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

2013-09-25 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) wrote: Please see below examples of support for RED/WRED from switches (from ALU and Cisco websites, search for RED or WRED in document): I'd venture to claim that putting RED on a device with a few milliseconds worth of buffer depth is pretty