Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] can we setup a

2019-03-26 Thread David P. Reed
Small comment on the closing metaphor. I was thinking in the "UNIX world". But I think this is a much bigger deal than that. So the comparison is really better when you think about how macOS replaced UNIX when user experience started to matter to enable growth in the world. So if you

Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] can we setup a

2019-03-26 Thread David P. Reed
This, and the general question of how to get any change like this into the IP forwarding components of existing networks, seems to be a very important and tough question. IETF seems to be unable to mandate anything, even when there is rough consensus and working code. The power has shifted to

Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] can we setup a "how to get this into existing networks" get-together in Prague coming week?

2019-03-26 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, Holland, Jake wrote: Hi Mikael, Any operator nibbles on making this meeting happen? Nobody else expressed any interest in this, so I kind of dropped the idea. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se ___ Bloat mailing

Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] can we setup a "how to get this into existing networks" get-together in Prague coming week?

2019-03-26 Thread Holland, Jake
Hi Mikael, Any operator nibbles on making this meeting happen? I'm not sure how useful I can be, but if there's any network operators reading, I would love to hear the questions and concerns from your side, and I'm happy to explain anything I can help explain. (Of course if it's just going to

[Bloat] Fwd: voting rights in general

2019-03-26 Thread Dave Taht
This has been an ongoing discussion on the ietf mailing list, spiraling down into useless discussion, once again. I'd kicked it off with: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/2mjhGErGYRWjKb0oZH_Ddh4YI0Y (Something like 7% of the people doing ietf work currently get a vote for top