Re: [Bloat] Really getting 1G out of ISP?

2021-07-06 Thread Aaron Wood
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 7:26 PM Dave Taht wrote: > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:32 PM Aaron Wood wrote: > > > > I'm running an Odyssey from Seeed Studios (celeron J4125 with dual > i211), and it can handle Cake at 1Gbps on a single core (which it needs to, > because OpenWRT's i211 support still has

Re: [Bloat] Really getting 1G out of ISP?

2021-07-06 Thread Dave Taht
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:32 PM Aaron Wood wrote: > > I'm running an Odyssey from Seeed Studios (celeron J4125 with dual i211), and > it can handle Cake at 1Gbps on a single core (which it needs to, because > OpenWRT's i211 support still has multiple receive queues disabled). Not clear if that

Re: [Bloat] Really getting 1G out of ISP?

2021-07-06 Thread Dave Taht
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:28 PM Wheelock, Ian wrote: > > The support for AQM (PIE) is mandatory in D3.1 modems regardless of the US > mode in use (ie sc-qam (3.0) or ofdma (3.1) upstream), so it should be > enabled. I am under the distinct impression it is only on for ISP provided modems for at

Re: [Bloat] Really getting 1G out of ISP?

2021-07-06 Thread Aaron Wood
I'm sure it's present, as a capability. I just think it's not being used (based on what I see for upstream bloat, which is >100ms without running cake in the router). On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:28 PM Wheelock, Ian wrote: > The support for AQM (PIE) is mandatory in D3.1 modems regardless of the

Re: [Bloat] The Power of Math

2021-07-06 Thread Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990
Without quoting the entire Digest I just wanted to comment that since I read here that we need the power of math here I can recommend mathcad for its use of live standard notation including in the programming context. Douglas ___ Bloat mailing list

Re: [Bloat] Really getting 1G out of ISP?

2021-07-06 Thread Aaron Wood
I'm running an Odyssey from Seeed Studios (celeron J4125 with dual i211), and it can handle Cake at 1Gbps on a single core (which it needs to, because OpenWRT's i211 support still has multiple receive queues disabled). On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:44 AM Giuseppe De Luca wrote: > Also a PC Engines

Re: [Bloat] Really getting 1G out of ISP?

2021-07-06 Thread Wheelock, Ian
The support for AQM (PIE) is mandatory in D3.1 modems regardless of the US mode in use (ie sc-qam (3.0) or ofdma (3.1) upstream), so it should be enabled. Get Outlook for Android From: Bloat on behalf of Aaron Wood Sent: Tuesday, July

Re: [Bloat] Really getting 1G out of ISP?

2021-07-06 Thread Aaron Wood
Are these in-flux changes to where the upstream split is why some modems report DOCSIS 3.1 downstream, but only 3.0 upstream? (and therefore aren't enabling AQM on the upstream?) -Aaron On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 4:04 PM Livingood, Jason via Bloat < bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > For

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-06 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
Sorry, I should have been more clear. Not a fixed butler matrix but a device with solid state, programmable, phase shifters, 0 - 360 degrees. It's a way to create multiple phy channels and affect and vary the off diagonal elements of a MIMO H-matrix using conducted parts. Then automation software

Re: [Bloat] Credit and/or collaboration on a responsiveness metric?

2021-07-06 Thread Kathleen Nichols
In coming up with metrics, I would really encourage you to think about making use of tdigest to gather statistics in some of your on-line measurement. I'm not sure users see "average" behavior. I mean if someone is getting great latency numbers most of the time, with a small percentage of

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-06 Thread Ben Greear
We tried adding in an external butler matrix in the past, but could not notice any useful difference. Possibly we didn't have the right use case. Typically we are competitive on price for full testing solutions, but you can get stand-alone attenuators cheaper from specialized vendors. Happy

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-06 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
The four part attenuator part would be more interesting to me if it also had a solid state phase shifters. This allows for testing 2x2 MIMO testing per affecting the spatial stream eigen vectors/values. Bob PS. The price per port isn't competitive. Probably a good idea to survey the market

Re: [Bloat] Apple WWDC Talks on Latency/Bufferbloat

2021-07-06 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hello Christoph, thanks for your detailed response! > On Jul 6, 2021, at 20:54, Christoph Paasch wrote: > > Hello Sebastian, > > On 06/29/21 - 09:58, Sebastian Moeller wrote: >> Hi Christoph, >> >> one question below: >> >>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 01:43, Christoph Paasch via Bloat >>> wrote:

Re: [Bloat] Credit and/or collaboration on a responsiveness metric?

2021-07-06 Thread Matt Mathis via Bloat
(Adding other Apple developers back in) Jonathan, you didn't even go in the direction I was expecting. My fragmentary ideas: Round counting (the underlying primitive) can be measured or estimated in several different ways at different layers: TCP/transport layer: >From a .pcap, count rounds:

Re: [Bloat] Apple WWDC Talks on Latency/Bufferbloat

2021-07-06 Thread Christoph Paasch via Bloat
Hello Sebastian, On 06/29/21 - 09:58, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Hi Christoph, > > one question below: > > > On Jun 18, 2021, at 01:43, Christoph Paasch via Bloat > > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > On 06/17/21 - 11:16, Matt Mathis via Bloat wrote: > >> Is there a paper or spec for RPM? > > >

Re: [Bloat] Credit and/or collaboration on a responsiveness metric?

2021-07-06 Thread Christoph Paasch via Bloat
Hello Matt, On 07/05/21 - 16:21, Matt Mathis wrote: > The rounds based responsiveness metric is awesome! There are several > slightly different versions, with slightly different properties > > I would like to write a little paper (probably for the IAB workshop), but > don't want to short

Re: [Bloat] Credit and/or collaboration on a responsiveness metric?

2021-07-06 Thread Michael Richardson
Jonathan Morton wrote: > My idea was simply to express delays and latencies as a frequency, in > Hz, so that "bigger numbers are better", rather than always in > milliseconds, where "smaller numbers are better". The advantage of Hz > is that you can directly compare it to

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-06 Thread Ben Greear
Hello, I am interested to hear wish lists for network testing features. We make test equipment, supporting lots of wifi stations and a distributed architecture, with built-in udp, tcp, ipv6, http, ... protocols, and open to creating/improving some of our automated tests. I know Dave has some

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] the future is in high speed symmetrical internet speeds!!!!

2021-07-06 Thread Wheelock, Ian
Hi I agree on Sebastian’s points on DOCSIS being able to offer this 100/100 service, as well as what the most recent version of what DOCSIS can do.. In terms of DOCSIS 3.1 it supports “High Split” upstream where signals operate up to 204MHz (from current limits of 42MHz, 65MHz or 85MHz). This

Re: [Bloat] Credit and/or collaboration on a responsiveness metric?

2021-07-06 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 6 Jul, 2021, at 2:21 am, Matt Mathis wrote: > > The rounds based responsiveness metric is awesome! There are several > slightly different versions, with slightly different properties > > I would like to write a little paper (probably for the IAB workshop), but > don't want to short