Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-22 Thread Matt Taggart via Bloat
On 10/22/22 12:47, Sebastian Moeller wrote: [SM] None of the real life models are all that well fitting for the problem, information simply is different from tangible objects in that dropping and resending on failure are less problematic. But that means that all "intuitive" analogies are out a

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-22 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Dave, > On Oct 22, 2022, at 20:58, Dave Taht via Bloat > wrote: > > I did finally come up with a better analogy. > > Imagine, instead, 1024 checkers all waiting, all the time, just for you! Assuming the flow hash works well enough and the number of flows is small enough compared

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-22 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Matt, > On Oct 22, 2022, at 20:37, Matt Taggart via Bloat > wrote: > > On 10/17/22 19:58, David Lang via Bloat wrote: > >> actually, fair queueing is more like the '15 items or less' lanes to speed >> through the people doing simple things rather than having them wait behind >> the mothe

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-22 Thread Dave Taht via Bloat
I did finally come up with a better analogy. Imagine, instead, 1024 checkers all waiting, all the time, just for you! (this is similar to how frys electronics used to work) It's a computer! None of them have to get paid! It only costs 8k of memory to have them there! I'd actually like to do a f

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-22 Thread Matt Taggart via Bloat
On 10/17/22 19:58, David Lang via Bloat wrote: actually, fair queueing is more like the '15 items or less' lanes to speed through the people doing simple things rather than having them wait behind the mother of 7 doing their monthly shopping. Sort of, but CoS/QoS could be described that way t

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: Broadband Bias

2022-10-22 Thread David Lang via Bloat
especially when all the rates are 'up to' David Lang On Sat, 22 Oct 2022, David Collier-Brown wrote: Yes, I'd tend to flatten my prices unless I could show end-user customers a really easy-to-detect improvement from the high-speed offerings. My across-the-road neighbor was talked into upgrad

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: Broadband Bias

2022-10-22 Thread David Collier-Brown via Bloat
Yes, I'd tend to flatten my prices unless I could show end-user customers a really easy-to-detect improvement from the high-speed offerings. My across-the-road neighbor was talked into upgrading by Bell Canada to a higher-priced package, and ended up in a 'spirited discussion" about whether th

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: Broadband Bias

2022-10-22 Thread David Lang via Bloat
long distance phone plans used to be tiered as well, nobody misses those days. eliminating tiers could just mean that people are getting the best service available in their area (the car analogy they are trying to use breaks down because you can't get Porsche service in a location with Chevy in