[Bloat] Fwd: [PATCH RFC v1 net-next 1/4] net: Introduce Qdisc backpressure infrastructure

2022-05-08 Thread Dave Taht
I am encouraged this layer of the stack can finally see backpressure for udp -- Forwarded message - From: Peilin Ye Date: Sun, May 8, 2022 at 2:28 AM Subject: [PATCH RFC v1 net-next 1/4] net: Introduce Qdisc backpressure infrastructure To: David S. Miller , Eric Dumazet , Jakub Ki

[Bloat] stop aggregating away the signal in your data

2022-05-08 Thread Dave Taht
This was really good. I've always been tremendously interested in the anomalous parts of data, given some work I'd been mentored in by frank rowland about how real time systems *needed* to behave, in order to not kill people. https://stackoverflow.blog/2022/03/03/stop-aggregating-away-the-signal-

[Bloat] anyone going to moutainconnect in colorado may 23-25?

2022-05-04 Thread Dave Taht
I am enjoying doing outreach to new audiences like this, and trying to learn what the NTIA broadband grant funding issues are: see: https://mountainconnect.org for details. It's a cheap conference, hotels are cheap... anyone going? anyone know anyone that is going or speaking? -- FQ World Domina

[Bloat] Fwd: [AusNOG] Enterprise Network QoS Traffic Profiling Tools

2022-05-03 Thread Dave Taht
To: Dave Taht , Jonathan Brewer Cc: aus...@ausnog.net FYI we have already implemented and commercially deployed P4 based RTT measurement in multiple carrier networks, as part of the Canopus Network Analytics platform (https://www.canopusnet.com/). We take it a step further and correlate it

[Bloat] blog: the state of fq_codel

2022-04-23 Thread Dave Taht
I just put out my first blog post in over 5 years over here. http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ If y'all have suggestions for data, or links to add, or phrasing to change, please let me know? -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=htt

[Bloat] Unconscious Physiological Effects of Search Latency on Users and Their Click Behaviour

2022-04-19 Thread Dave Taht
"As the response latency of the search engine reaches higher val-ues, the arousal and the negative valence of the experienced emotions increase as well. Although those effects did not produce changes on the *self-reported data*, their impact on users’ physiological responses was evident. Thus, even

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?

2022-04-17 Thread Dave Taht
that they make backlog, packet and ,drop statistics easily available across their OSes. I'm pretty sure that at higher bandwidths their default settings for SFQ and pfifo are too low... > > The OneDrive link to my flent files should still be active in that post as > well. > >

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?

2022-04-17 Thread Dave Taht
fq-quantum 300 > limit 10240 > rate 8mbit > } > upload { > ecn enable > flows 1024 > fq-quantum 300 > limit 10240 > rate 600kbit > target 15ms > }

[Bloat] an rtt_fair test?

2022-04-16 Thread Dave Taht
if anyone has a bit of spare time this holiday, I'd like to collect a few results from various networks around the web this week, not just on the turris. Example command line and outputs here: https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/ -- I tried to build a better future, a

[Bloat] any odds orange got wifi right this time?

2022-04-16 Thread Dave Taht
https://www.softathome.com/2022/04/08/orange-premieres-deep-sleep-mode-with-softathome-in-new-wi-fi-6e-livebox/ I give it, oh, 3x1 odds that at 50 feet and a wall, they still have horrific bufferbloat. Any takers? -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?

Re: [Bloat] cloudflare consumer labels blog

2022-04-15 Thread Dave Taht
ket loss" is more interesting to nerds than consumers, who don't know > what it means. Arguably it needs a better name. > "Delays due to retransmission" is short enough to fit the label, and is what > a packet loss means _to the reader of the label_, rather than to me. >

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] broadband cost analysis

2022-04-15 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 7:48 AM Livingood, Jason via Bloat wrote: > > On 4/14/22, 11:40, "Bloat on behalf of Rich Brown" > > wrote: > > >$2K-$4K per premise for the drop cable from the pole and the router in > > the premise > > What is the CPE router? Does it have AQM or some other latency

[Bloat] cloudflare consumer labels blog

2022-04-15 Thread Dave Taht
"We believe that metrics beyond bandwidth such as latency and jitter (the variance in latency) have grown appreciably in importance and that should be reflected in policy going forward." - https://blog.cloudflare.com/breaking-down-broadband-nutrition-labels/ It also includes a number for "typical

Re: [Bloat] broadband cost analysis

2022-04-14 Thread Dave Taht
solutions, and go to coffee shops and libraries (and the office) to get their connectivity. I am kind of curious as to the trendline here - a cellphone is a must for this generation, quality fixed internet merely a nice to have. On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 8:18 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > prett

[Bloat] broadband cost analysis

2022-04-14 Thread Dave Taht
pretty good: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f5282b71117310d16e654d3/t/6256eb4efbb468024f396969/1649863506445/Toward+Effective+Administration+of+State+and+Local+Fixed+Broadband+Programs+-+04.12.22+Final+Report.pdf My lowball cost estimate for "better, recycled routers" would be somewhere

[Bloat] april 13th fireside chat with NTIA head Alan Davidson

2022-04-10 Thread Dave Taht
They are looking for questions to ask here: https://discuss.broadband.money/c/broadband-grant-events/alan-davidson-fireside-chat And apparently there's a few seats at the table that can be reserved. It's certainly my hope that the bitag report, in particular, has bubbled up to his level. -- I

Re: [Bloat] ZDNet ruoter review

2022-04-08 Thread Dave Taht
Thank you. I would like very much personally to not be spending so much time on social media, if everyone here could do one post or comment or reshare (likes don't help) a week somewhere, we'd be scaling better. Most of the denizens of reddit get it nowadays, https://www.reddit.com/r/eero/comments

[Bloat] t-45 for axiom spacex launch

2022-04-08 Thread Dave Taht
OT, I know, but a nice way to start your morning... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAv2cyh_nE Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjur0RG-v-I -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC

[Bloat] gitlab network optimizations

2022-04-07 Thread Dave Taht
Most cloud operations websites are kept internal. gitlab's is not, which is pretty cool. In looking over this: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-infra/production/-/issues/6768 They are tracking tcp syn retransmits, but not drops or other congestion control related info. And also sysctl net.ipv4.t

Re: [Bloat] less than best effort: TCP - flexis - A New Approach To Incipient Congestion Detection and Control

2022-04-06 Thread Dave Taht
of half baked projects that if only someones new also stepped in, were completed. An example of this is BBR which originally was about half what it is today, until source was released among the right people. > > Best regards, > Qian > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 6:38 AM

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] android, sqm-autorate and lte and videoconferencing

2022-04-06 Thread Dave Taht
software requirements (every router should run bash > anyway ;) ). > > Kind Regards > Sebastian > > > > On Apr 6, 2022, at 17:43, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > For the past several days, I have been very successfully using > > variants of the cake-

[Bloat] android, sqm-autorate and lte and videoconferencing

2022-04-06 Thread Dave Taht
For the past several days, I have been very successfully using variants of the cake-autorate code to manage my connections on the boat, for which I use a tether to my laptop. https://github.com/lynxthecat/CAKE-autorate Although this test claims my link was inadequate for a good videoconference

[Bloat] Updated invitation: Internet Responsiveness Meeting @ Weekly from 10am to 11am on Tuesday from Tue Feb 8 to Mon Apr 11 (PST) (bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net)

2022-04-05 Thread dave . taht
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[Bloat] Updated invitation with note: Internet Responsiveness Meeting @ Weekly from 10am to 11am on Tuesday (PDT) (bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net)

2022-04-05 Thread dave . taht
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[Bloat] less than best effort: TCP - flexis - A New Approach To Incipient Congestion Detection and Control

2022-04-02 Thread Dave Taht
Dear Qian: Pretty promising paper. I liked that it tackled congestion on the ack path, among other things. https://www.techrxiv.org/articles/preprint/TCP_FlexiS_A_New_Approach_To_Incipient_Congestion_Detection_and_Control/19077161/1/files/33905018.pdf I like also that you tackled, inter-rtt fair

[Bloat] april 7th fcc on broadband labels

2022-03-30 Thread Dave Taht
Anyone got a presence at this? I'd really like to kill "typical" packet loss as a metric dead... https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-announces-second-public-hearing-broadband-consumer-labels -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ice

[Bloat] determinism

2022-03-29 Thread Dave Taht
I note that I really like the determinism in fq-codel, mostly. recently though, we had a result where fq-pie did better. I am fond of imagery, like this... but am not going to explain the underlying problem. https://twitter.com/amazing_physics/status/1508677956595552257 -- I tried to build a bet

[Bloat] google's free space optics looking for proposals

2022-03-22 Thread Dave Taht
trying to deliver 20gbits over 20km. see: https://x.company/projects/taara/ signup: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScqHwegfc_CsAX28n9GPExI1rz5FU8forbo8p7-pxwogkQZ8A/viewform?resourcekey=0-0dGmYHXfrM7CpoC7NpVOBw I'd fiddled with a cheaper, shorter range tech that could only get 1gbit a

[Bloat] Fwd: IPv6 "bloat" history

2022-03-22 Thread Dave Taht
some ipv6 history I didn't know. -- Forwarded message - From: William Allen Simpson Date: Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:09 PM Subject: Re: IPv6 "bloat" history To: Admitting to not having read every message in these threads, but would like to highlight a bit of the history. IMnsHO,

[Bloat] att filing on consumer labels

2022-03-14 Thread Dave Taht
is far more unpleasant to read: https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/103090303/2022.03.09%20Broadband%20Nutrition%20Labels%20Opening%20Comments%20Final.pdf " Instead, the Commission should require all mobile providers to report the 25th and 75th percentile speeds and latency measurements based on 24

[Bloat] dave clark's contribution to broadband labels

2022-03-14 Thread Dave Taht
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10309616900757/Broadband%20Labels%20NPRM%20Comment-clark-wedeman.pdf -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ___ Bloat m

[Bloat] decoding FCC broadband labels for speed and latency

2022-03-14 Thread Dave Taht
starlink: https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10310353407607/SpaceX%20Broadband%20Label%20Comments.pdf Major kudos to nick feamster here especially for the deep dive into wifi. https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1030996257905/letter.pdf -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.a

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] Talk now up: How the internet really works

2022-03-11 Thread Dave Taht
ous as to how good the vanguard talk looked over the much lower frame rate zoom participants, and how much freezing or distortion of the feed they had) > v > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:25 AM James Hurley wrote: >> >> Great talk Dave & MIT jugglers >>

[Bloat] Talk now up: How the internet really works

2022-03-08 Thread Dave Taht
My talk last week at TTI Vanguard is now up on youtube. I used no slides, and a bunch of new simple analogies (including the world's most elaborate "rickroll"!) to explain the problems videoconferencing and voice have with competing with web traffic, with bits about cryptography, packet loss, buffe

[Bloat] bufferbloat, packet loss, and latency in real/wartime?

2022-03-04 Thread Dave Taht
This is not the way I wanted to get data like this, but: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/04/russia-ukraine-internet-cogent-cutoff/ Suggestions for any sites collecting pingtimes, tcp acks, loss, or latency to the ukraine and russia, desired. -- I tried to build a better future

[Bloat] boggs... on ethernet

2022-03-02 Thread Dave Taht
http://ccr.sigcomm.org/archive/1995/jan95/ccr-9501-moguleth.pdf I especially liked where they denounced a whole string of others' assumptions and simplified models. "There's a reason ethernet is why it is." I'd never met him. RIP. -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayfo

[Bloat] metaverse ready networks

2022-03-01 Thread Dave Taht
Is anyone at MWC in barcelona this week? https://tech.fb.com/metaverse-ready-networks/ -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ___ Bloat mailing lis

[Bloat] xeon packet processor

2022-02-25 Thread Dave Taht
I've never really understood why intel/amd have never added some key ipv6 related instructions to the SSE side of the processor like longest prefix match... https://twitter.com/stolsma/status/1496941314906144776 -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?si

[Bloat] network latency in the karkov IX during wartime

2022-02-24 Thread Dave Taht
https://twitter.com/iFred/status/1496835619686809600 -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https

[Bloat] WISPA conference in new orleans march 14-17

2022-02-24 Thread Dave Taht
I think I'm going, if anyone wants to meet up? https://wispaevents.org/ - preseem and mikrotik are there, am not sure who else there is using fq_codel derived tech. bootcamp on the broadband stuff: https://wispaevents.org/broadband-billions-bootcamp/ -- I tried to build a better future, a few t

[Bloat] smarter queuing at traffic lights

2022-02-23 Thread Dave Taht
for something completely different: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jat/2022/1383349/ -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ___ Bloat mailing lis

[Bloat] homa protocol looks promising

2022-02-15 Thread Dave Taht
"Montazeri et al. demonstrated tail latencies almost 100x better than the best prior measurements of transport protocols that included TCP, DCTCP [1], Infiniband, HULL [2], PIAS [4], and NDP [15]" https://www.usenix.org/system/files/atc21-ousterhout.pdf Has a kernel module. "about 10k lines of he

[Bloat] airfiber 60HD uses vpp + dpdk

2022-02-13 Thread Dave Taht
discovered via: https://twitter.com/awlnx/status/1491785956944351232 I last paid attention to these technologies, 5 years ago. https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/cake/2016-April/001884.html starlink's dishy also uses a userspace stack (not vpp or dpdk so far as I can tell). Not clear if eit

[Bloat] ubiquiti AP/60ghz users?

2022-02-12 Thread Dave Taht
If you know anyone actively using any of ubnt's stuff, could you vector them at this? https://community.ui.com/questions/Whats-the-state-of-native-fqcodel-on-wifi-and-of-smart-queues-fqcodel-cake/13ac066c-3517-48b9-b781-239009ca06ac It's been multiple generations since they did smart queues, I am

Re: [Bloat] new measurement method

2022-02-10 Thread Dave Taht
general purpose lagmeter for android and ios. On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 1:02 AM Taraldsen Erik wrote: > > That was beautiful! > > > ____ > Fra: Bloat på vegne av Dave Taht > > Sendt: torsdag 10. februar 2022 01.01.50 > Til: Rpm; bl

[Bloat] new measurement method

2022-02-09 Thread Dave Taht
perhaps a valentines gift for some regulators and isps is in order? https://hackaday.com/2022/02/09/that-clock-on-the-wall-is-actually-a-network-ping-display/ -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre

[Bloat] Updated invitation with note: Internet Responsiveness Meeting @ Weekly from 10am to 11am on Tuesday (PST) (bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net)

2022-02-08 Thread dave . taht
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[Bloat] Updated invitation: Internet Responsiveness Meeting @ Weekly from 10am to 11am on Tuesday (PST) (bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net)

2022-02-08 Thread dave . taht
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[Bloat] Updated invitation with note: Internet Responsiveness Meeting @ Tue Feb 8, 2022 10am - 11am (PST) (bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net)

2022-02-08 Thread dave . taht
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[Bloat] NTIA filing deadline approacheth

2022-02-04 Thread Dave Taht
I am working towards polishing up the conclusion now. If you have edits or direction or want to co-sign, please jump on https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FjRo9MNnVOLh733SNPNyqaR1IFee7Q5qbMrmW1PlPr8/edit# deadline is today. -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.a

[Bloat] On the road to 100Gbit... Fwd: [PATCH net-next 00/15] tcp: BIG TCP implementation

2022-02-03 Thread Dave Taht
-- Forwarded message - From: Eric Dumazet Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:05 AM Subject: [PATCH net-next 00/15] tcp: BIG TCP implementation To: David S . Miller , Jakub Kicinski Cc: netdev , Eric Dumazet , Coco Li , Eric Dumazet From: Eric Dumazet This series implements BIG TCP

[Bloat] AQM based on the queue length: A real-network study

2022-02-01 Thread Dave Taht
see: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0263407 I'm not sure if I like this experiment or not. On the one hand, I *love* that they are experimenting on real workloads, on the other, well, have a go at reading it through. I like a lot that, given how positive the res

Re: [Bloat] ntia broadband RFC

2022-02-01 Thread Dave Taht
/1T21on7g1MqQZoK91epUdxLYFGdtyLRgBat0VXoC9e3I/edit Go for it! I am low on words this month. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 11:50 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > I intend to use the illustrative cartoon here at some point, if I get on this. > > https://blog.discourse.org/2022/01/discourse-gives-back-2021 > > On Thu, Jan 2

[Bloat] Invitation: Internet Responsiveness Meeting @ Weekly from 10am to 11am on Tuesday (PST) (bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net)

2022-02-01 Thread dave . taht
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[Bloat] making networks virtual

2022-02-01 Thread Dave Taht
One of the analogies that went by in this interview with nick mckeown was "programmable cables" and the IPU concept. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfk6gZORmV0 I'm still kind of in shell shock about finding openwrt "chaos calmer" deeply embedded in some gpon SFPs, but in those cases it's control

[Bloat] inferring QoE from active and passive measurements

2022-01-25 Thread Dave Taht
This awarded research proposal looks promising: https://www.measurementlab.net/publications/research-fellows/2022/SanjayChandrasekaran_Proposal.pdf I like the heatmaps in fig 1, reminds me a bit about how smokeping plots things. -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforwa

[Bloat] pion webrtc gains the gcc congestion controller

2022-01-24 Thread Dave Taht
https://github.com/pion/interceptor/tree/master/pkg/gcc There is also an implementation of nada in the works. Marching down to 3.2... testers needed... https://github.com/pion/webrtc/milestone/11 -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%

Re: [Bloat] ntia broadband RFC

2022-01-20 Thread Dave Taht
? What criteria should NTIA establish to assess grant recipients’ > plans to ensure that service providers maintain and/or exceed thresholds for > reliability, quality of service, sustainability, upgradability and other > required service characteristics?" > > On 1/18/22, 16:19, &q

[Bloat] ntia broadband RFC

2022-01-18 Thread Dave Taht
This is the first time in years that I felt that maybe something we said could get through to an agency of the US government. The deadline for filing is feb 4th, and it would be nice if some of the billions on the table got spent on better routers, software, and networks. https://ntia.gov/files/nt

[Bloat] weekly rpm videoconference

2022-01-18 Thread Dave Taht
Has been on tuesdays at 930 AM PDT. My hope has been more and more would join over time. Lonely today... use any login, no password https://starwrt.v.taht.net:8443/group/bufferbloat/ -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org

[Bloat] backpressure from the hypervisor

2022-01-17 Thread Dave Taht
seems promising https://saeed.github.io/files/zd_conext19.pdf -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloa

[Bloat] nice to see a start at leveraging webrtc for measurements

2022-01-17 Thread Dave Taht
https://packetlosstest.com/ -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/

Re: [Bloat] ONTs and ITU - T G.988

2022-01-13 Thread Dave Taht
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:28 AM Jan Ceuleers wrote: > > On 13/01/2022 00:42, Dave Taht wrote: > > My 1st question is - are there any ONTs that actually do do pause > > frames? Or providers that configure for them? > > In my (limited) experience most network operators want

Re: [Bloat] ONTs and ITU - T G.988

2022-01-12 Thread Dave Taht
> _. > > A lot of interrupts being generated? connections timing out? lag? > > I'm guessing that many of the same symptoms that accompanying buffer > bloat also manifest themselves with buffer bleed? > > Marco > > > On 1/12/2022 3:42 PM, Dave Taht wrote

[Bloat] BITAG report - "latency explained' - now published!

2022-01-12 Thread Dave Taht
https://www.bitag.org/documents/BITAG_latency_explained.pdf My hope is that this moves the needle this year, among policymakers especially, towards a deeper understanding of the key factors that would lead us all to a better internet, in year three of the COVID crisis. And my thanks to everyone no

[Bloat] ONTs and ITU - T G.988

2022-01-12 Thread Dave Taht
Up until this point I haven't cared all that much about fiber, as most of my observations were that it had "reasonable" buffering and all I could hold in my head was the 802.11 standards. Since cablemodems are well on their way to being fixed, wifi is looking good, and I recently came across an ONT

[Bloat] cake + mpls?

2022-01-10 Thread Dave Taht
I noticed that sometime in the past 8 years the flow_dissector gained support for dissecting mpls packets. I don't know how deep that rabbit hole goes. Over here on this mikrotik thead https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=904422#p904422 the question was asked about cake, the exp bits, and mp

[Bloat] improving the fq-codel wikipedia article

2022-01-05 Thread Dave Taht
It got pulled today. :( So its back to over here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:FQ-CoDel_2 I outlined some steps forward over here, but I have to admit I don't know enough about wikipedia editing on where to go. Some comments here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dtaht

[Bloat] Fwd: fq_codel in debian

2022-01-02 Thread Dave Taht
debian finally adopts fq_codel. -- Forwarded message - From: Noah Meyerhans Date: Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 9:30 PM Subject: Re: fq_codel in debian To: Dave Taht The change was merged; Barring any regressions or the like, the fq_codel should be the default for future major releases

[Bloat] RTMFP improvements from Michael Thornburgh

2021-12-26 Thread Dave Taht
This is extracted from a chat conversation with Michael Thornburgh with his permission. I too have experimented with OBS and twitch streaming and felt it needed some love, in particular. https://github.com/zenomt/rtmfp-cpp#delay-based-congestion-detection . ... Hi Dave. For some reason I keep w

[Bloat] flash tcp paper

2021-12-17 Thread Dave Taht
There's a lot to like about this paper, https://www.sci-hub.se/10.1109/ACCESS.2021.3077612 Not least of which they supply source code for it, https://github.com/mclab-cuhk/TCP-FLASH and focus on improving slow start, and try to use values for rtt and buffering (30ms) that they think representat

[Bloat] gaming latencies

2021-12-16 Thread Dave Taht
I was not aware that one of the sacrifices made in running a compositor, was yet another frame's delay. (see sec 2) https://zamundaaa.github.io/wayland/2021/12/14/about-gaming-on-wayland.html -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fww

[Bloat] happy to see performance measurement and analytics becoming a "thing"

2021-12-14 Thread Dave Taht
https://www.broadcom.com/company/news/financial-releases/59756 Sure wish that more companies though were utilizing things like flent and deeply analyzing packet captures. I spent the last few days testing out cake, fq-codel and sfq on mikrotik's 7.1 release here: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtop

[Bloat] Fwd: [Network-quality-workshop] Fwd: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness

2021-12-14 Thread Dave Taht
the ippm mailing list is at: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm -- Forwarded message - From: Tommy Pauly Date: Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 9:07 AM Subject: [Network-quality-workshop] Fwd: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness To: Cc: Marcus Ihlar Hi all,

[Bloat] exploring a strangeness in a modern tcp and kernel

2021-12-13 Thread Dave Taht
I have been off trying to get good benchmarks of the new mikrotik 7.1 release, which has a working version of cake and fq-codel. Got a very enthusiastic tester running the "xanmod" kernel which among other things, has bbrv2 on by default. Incredibly long, often confusing, and ever growing thread o

[Bloat] Fwd: Log4j mitigation

2021-12-13 Thread Dave Taht
for those of you losing sleep over the java logging exploit, my heart goes out to you. While I'm glad I, personally, and on the bufferbloat related websites, haven't got a single thing written in java, and I lost 3 weeks of my life over christmas to spectre, and several weeks per year - and usuall

[Bloat] anyone out there using peplink?

2021-12-09 Thread Dave Taht
I knew they had added fq-codel to some beta firmware a while back, but apparently it's not widely distributed. I like that firewalla just entered their market, but peplink's dual wan and other features have long been pretty impressive. https://forum.peplink.com/t/comcast-rolls-out-their-aqm-techno

[Bloat] dec 22: mikrotik talk about fq-codel and cake in russian

2021-12-08 Thread Dave Taht
see https://mikrotik.team/ for signup details. The talk title is... very russian. I'm not sure if if google translate's translation is suitable for a family oriented mailing list, or is correct. Anyway, if there's a russian speaker out there that can kibitz?, I do worry about how our algorithms f

[Bloat] Fwd: [RFC net-next 2/2] ipv6: ioam: Support for Buffer occupancy data field

2021-12-07 Thread Dave Taht
interesting thread, go respond there, tho. -- Forwarded message - From: Justin Iurman Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 9:56 PM Subject: [RFC net-next 2/2] ipv6: ioam: Support for Buffer occupancy data field To: Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , This patch is an attempt to support the buffer

[Bloat] "cerowrt II" announced by nlnet

2021-12-07 Thread Dave Taht
NLnet gave me a small grant to help fund at least a broad look at what, if anything else, we could do on the fronts we care about. https://nlnet.nl/project/CeroWRT-II/ Based on the promise of that grant (I got confirmation a few days ago) for the last ~three months I'd been trying to scope out ne

Re: [Bloat] slashdotted

2021-12-07 Thread Dave Taht
ich my > company can relate to. Posted it to our internal "facebook" main page. Hope > some in the management actually picks up on this now. > > > -Erik > > ____ > Fra: Bloat på vegne av Dave Taht > > Sendt: søndag 5. dese

[Bloat] slashdotted

2021-12-05 Thread Dave Taht
I went to bed early yesterday, and woke up to slashdot. https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/12/05/0225227/comcast-reduced-working-latency-by-90-with-aqm-is-this-the-future -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht

[Bloat] fixing the debian default

2021-12-03 Thread Dave Taht
despite most of the debian derivatives adopting fq_codel, debian hasn't due to confusion at which team should step up. The issue got raised again for the next release, and code rebased: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890343#106 -- I tried to build a better future, a few times

Re: [Bloat] tp-link request for SQM

2021-12-03 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 6:30 AM Wheelock, Ian wrote: > > I think for the last bullet in the text below, maybe change or remove the > comment completely concerning requesting a specific vendor version of the > COMCAST XB6 device, as the particular linked document, quite clearly noted > the follow

Re: [Bloat] tp-link request for SQM

2021-12-03 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:40 AM Rich Brown wrote: > > > > > On Dec 3, 2021, at 7:00 AM, Dave Täht wrote: > > > > tp-link, is, so far as I know, the last major home router vendor NOT > > shipping a SQM system. Perhaps this could be modded up with someones > > with accounts? > > > > https://community

Re: [Bloat] tp-link request for SQM

2021-12-03 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 4:44 AM Kenneth Porter wrote: > > --On Friday, December 03, 2021 12:12 PM + "Wheelock, Ian" > wrote: > > > 280Mbps service with Comcast is likely the 300/10 package offering… In > > that case the US is limited to 10Mbps > > > > I understand there might be some issue if

Re: [Bloat] tp-link request for SQM

2021-12-03 Thread Dave Taht
h is I think the test needs to run longer at these speeds. Another another kvetch is they factor in baseline latency to determine if the link is suitable for gaming or not. We had them participating on this list at some point > > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:48 PM Dave Taht wrote: >

[Bloat] tp-link request for SQM

2021-12-02 Thread Dave Taht
tp-link, is, so far as I know, the last major home router vendor NOT shipping a SQM system. Perhaps this could be modded up with someones with accounts? https://community.tp-link.com/us/home/forum/topic/511156 -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?sit

[Bloat] indexed mailing lists?

2021-11-30 Thread Dave Taht
It really bothers me that our mailing lists are not indexed. Perhaps this could help? Anyone tried it? https://searchengineland.com/6-websites-using-cloudflare-turned-on-indexnow-376579 -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.i

[Bloat] THE INFRASTRUCTURE, INVESTMENT AND JOBS ACT

2021-11-30 Thread Dave Taht
(sorry for the caps, I just copy-pasted that) Anyway, these folk over here https://discuss.broadband.money/c/broadband-grant-resources/broadband-grant-guide have a fairly clear guide to how $65b of funding for upgrading america's broadband can be got at. I kind of hope that somehow, in one or mor

[Bloat] uplink bufferbloat and scheduling problems

2021-11-30 Thread Dave Taht
Money quote: "Figure 2a is a good argument to focus latency research work on downlink bufferbloat." It peaked at 1.6s in their test: https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-03420681/document -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ice

Re: [Bloat] Preventing RLC Buffer Sojourn Delays in 5G

2021-11-29 Thread Dave Taht
gh the queuing structure does not change, keep in mind > that the experiments where conducted with a 3GPP compliant 4G RAN stack and > some additional code for the described scenario. > > BR, > Mikel > > > On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 01:34, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> A nice c

[Bloat] Preventing RLC Buffer Sojourn Delays in 5G

2021-11-28 Thread Dave Taht
A nice comparison of BBR vs Codel vs FIFO vs their cross-layer solution. (they used irtt!) I am always puzzled as to why folk don't benchmark fq-codel (or something like BQL) in scenarios like these. Are the headers not available in the RAN? (forgive me for forgetting) Anyway, their "vanilla" sce

Re: [Bloat] *under*bloated networks

2021-11-28 Thread Dave Taht
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 7:42 AM Neal Cardwell wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 10:35 PM Dave Taht wrote: >> >> In the last two weeks I have found two dramatically underbuffered Gbit >> fiber networks. >> >> This one appears to have about a

[Bloat] multi-resource fair queuing for packet processing

2021-11-26 Thread Dave Taht
I don't know when this came out, but I missed it. Certainly I hate running out of cpu as much as anybody, and wish we were shedding load by measuring total time from ingress to egress, or... https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/2342356.2342358 -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: http

[Bloat] ipv6 with telephone number mapping

2021-11-25 Thread Dave Taht
What's the real barrier to doing this nowadays? We use signal in this way, sort of: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1463740452260171776 "There should be an automatic mapping from cellular numbers to IPV6 addresses so you can run a directly accessible server on any cell phone." -- I tr

Re: [Bloat] Has anyone looked at FarPlay.io?

2021-11-25 Thread Dave Taht
now i have! I sent them fan mail. I watched jacktrip explode in popularity and people start to use it effectively at the beginning of covid, and I'd worked on that years and years ago, and just as it took off, I moved to a purely wireless environment and it didn't work at all. Obligatory music cl

[Bloat] *under*bloated networks

2021-11-22 Thread Dave Taht
In the last two weeks I have found two dramatically underbuffered Gbit fiber networks. This one appears to have about a 400 full size packet uplink buffer (5ms)[1] https://imgur.com/a/Bm9hdNf It was pretty remarkable to see how well multiple tcp flows still achieved close to the full rate with s

[Bloat] 250ms at 100Mbit fiber/cable

2021-11-17 Thread Dave Taht
I find the data cluster over here at 250ms/100Mbit kind of worrisome: https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/results/bufferbloat?up=1 -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ___

[Bloat] fq_codel wikipedia page in progress

2021-11-15 Thread Dave Taht
OK, I finally bit the bullet and started editing wikipedia for the first time, seriously. That said, i have very little patience for it, especially cite hunting. It's taken me, what? 8 years to attempt this. There's an awful lot on wikipedia that needs improvement elsewhere also. https://en.wikip

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