Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-09 Thread Leonard Kleinrock
David, I totally appreciate your attention to when and when not analytical modeling works. Let me clarify a few things from your note. First, Little's law (also known as Little’s lemma or, as I use in my book, Little’s result) does not assume Poisson arrivals - it is good for any arrival pro

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-08 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
Thanks very much for this response. I need to dig in a bit more for sure. iperf 2 will give every UDP packet's OWD (if the clocks are sync'd) and will also provide TCP write to read latencies, both supported in histogram forms. So that's raw samples so to speak. I'm hooking up some units across ge

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-08 Thread David P. Reed
I will tell you flat out that the arrival time distribution assumption made by Little's Lemma that allows "estimation of queue depth" is totally unreasonable on ANY Internet in practice. The assumption is a Poisson Arrival Process. In reality, traffic arrivals in real internet applications ar

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-07 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
I can't speak for others. I've been successful in early prototyping using one for simplistic off-diagonal h-matrix testing, i.e. varying the h-matrix condition numbers. I see this as a small step in the right direction for conductive, automated, and reproducible testing. Developing a system that s

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-07 Thread Ben Greear
Thanks for the clarification. There are vendors that make these, but we have not tried integrating our software control with any of them. To date, not many of our customers have been interested in this, so it did not seem worth the effort. Do you see this as being useful for normal AP vendors

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-06 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
Sorry, I should have been more clear. Not a fixed butler matrix but a device with solid state, programmable, phase shifters, 0 - 360 degrees. It's a way to create multiple phy channels and affect and vary the off diagonal elements of a MIMO H-matrix using conducted parts. Then automation software c

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-06 Thread Ben Greear
We tried adding in an external butler matrix in the past, but could not notice any useful difference. Possibly we didn't have the right use case. Typically we are competitive on price for full testing solutions, but you can get stand-alone attenuators cheaper from specialized vendors. Happy t

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-06 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
The four part attenuator part would be more interesting to me if it also had a solid state phase shifters. This allows for testing 2x2 MIMO testing per affecting the spatial stream eigen vectors/values. Bob PS. The price per port isn't competitive. Probably a good idea to survey the market compe

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-06 Thread Ben Greear
Hello, I am interested to hear wish lists for network testing features. We make test equipment, supporting lots of wifi stations and a distributed architecture, with built-in udp, tcp, ipv6, http, ... protocols, and open to creating/improving some of our automated tests. I know Dave has some

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-05 Thread Dick Roy
Some terminology if one cares: “Segments” are “transported”(Layer 4) “Packets” are “networked”(Layer 3) “Frames” are “”data linked” (Layer 2) and last but not least … “Streams: flow “over the air” (Layer 1) _ From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-boun...@l