On Tue, 29 Apr 2014, Jim Gettys wrote:
Why would you think the GPON guys are any better in principle than cable or
Fiber != GPON. Fiber in Sweden is 99% active ethernet.
And the advertisement isn't about bufferbloat, I doubt they even know what
that is... Upside is that the equipment used
On 04/29/2014 07:01 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
However, as that graph shows, it is quite possible to completely avoid
bufferbloat by deploying the right shaping. And in that case fibre
*does* have a significant latency advantage. The best latency I've seen
to the upstream gateway on DSL
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@gmail.comwrote:
On 04/29/2014 07:01 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
However, as that graph shows, it is quite possible to completely avoid
bufferbloat by deploying the right shaping. And in that case fibre
*does* have a
On Wed, 30 Apr 2014, Jan Ceuleers wrote:
On 04/29/2014 07:01 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
However, as that graph shows, it is quite possible to completely avoid
bufferbloat by deploying the right shaping. And in that case fibre
*does* have a significant latency advantage. The best latency
On Apr 29, 2014, at 3:08 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, Dave Taht wrote:
pretty wonderful experiment and video http://livingwithlag.com/
Just so that everybody realises that this is an advertisement.
Also, what access method has 300 ms access
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
Well, we could discuss international communications. I happen to be at
Infocom in Toronto, VPN’d into Cisco San Jose, and did a ping to you:
Yes, but as soon as you hit the long distance network the latency is the
same regardless of access
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
A couple points here.
1) The video went viral, and garnered over 600,000 new hits in the 12
hours since I posted
it here.
there is pent up demand for less latency. While
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, but as soon as you hit the long distance network the latency is the
same regardless of access method. So while I agree that understanding the
effect of latency is important, it's no longer a meaningful way of
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Jim Gettys j...@freedesktop.org wrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.sewrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
Well, we could discuss international communications. I happen to be at
Infocom in Toronto,
Jim Gettys j...@freedesktop.org writes:
Now, if someone gives me real fiber to the home, with a real switch fabric
upstream, rather than gpon life might be somewhat better (if the switches
aren't
themselves overbuffered But so far, it isn't.
As a data point for this, I have fibre to my
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Jim Gettys j...@freedesktop.org wrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
Well, we could discuss international communications. I happen to be at
Infocom in Toronto,
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen t...@toke.dkwrote:
Jim Gettys j...@freedesktop.org writes:
Now, if someone gives me real fiber to the home, with a real switch
fabric
upstream, rather than gpon life might be somewhat better (if the
switches aren't
themselves
Also, what access method has 300 ms access latency, let alone 3 seconds?
None that I know of, the meaningful comparison would be ADSL2+ at around
25ms and 3G at around 50-100ms.
I have an old/slow 256Kbit SDSL link.
I frequently see download bloat delays of over 3 seconds. I haven't seen
Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:
I have an old/slow 256Kbit SDSL link.
256? Really? Which ISP/CLEC is that? I thought there were no SDSL
providers left besides Covad/Megapath, and the latter has Nokia (former
Diamond Lane) D50 DSLAMs, whose SDSL speed options are 192, 384, 768,
1152
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:26:55PM +, Michael Spacefalcon wrote:
Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:
256? Really? Which ISP/CLEC is that?
His email address might give a hint? :-)
/* Steinar */
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Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/
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Bloat
256? Really? Which ISP/CLEC is that? I thought there were no SDSL
providers left besides Covad/Megapath, and the latter has Nokia (former
Diamond Lane) D50 DSLAMs, whose SDSL speed options are 192, 384, 768, 1152
and 1536 kbps - no 256 in that list.
Thanks for the heads-up. I wonder
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen t...@toke.dk wrote:
Jim Gettys j...@freedesktop.org writes:
Now, if someone gives me real fiber to the home, with a real switch fabric
upstream, rather than gpon life might be somewhat better (if the switches
aren't
themselves
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