Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-08-16 Thread Dave Taht
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:49 AM Jonathan Morton wrote: > > > On 5 Jun, 2018, at 10:44 am, Mario Hock wrote: > > > > Just to make sure that I got your answer correctly. The benefit for > > endsystems comes from the "fq" (flow queuing) part, not from the "codel" > > part of fq_codel? > > That's

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-05 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018, Jonas Mårtensson wrote: What about PLPMTU? Do you think they might tweak that too? net.ipv4.tcp_mtu_probing=2 (despite name, applies to IPv6 too) Maybe, suggest it on their github. But I would maybe propose instead net.ipv4.tcp_mtu_probing=1. MTU probing

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-05 Thread Mario Hock
Am 05.06.2018 um 09:49 schrieb Jonathan Morton: On 5 Jun, 2018, at 10:44 am, Mario Hock wrote: Just to make sure that I got your answer correctly. The benefit for endsystems comes from the "fq" (flow queuing) part, not from the "codel" part of fq_codel? That's a fair characterisation, yes.

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-05 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 5 Jun, 2018, at 10:44 am, Mario Hock wrote: > > Just to make sure that I got your answer correctly. The benefit for > endsystems comes from the "fq" (flow queuing) part, not from the "codel" part > of fq_codel? That's a fair characterisation, yes. In fact, even for middleboxes, the

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-05 Thread Mario Hock
Am 05.06.2018 um 01:00 schrieb David Lang: On Mon, 4 Jun 2018, Bless, Roland (TM) wrote: Hi, Am 24.05.2018 um 17:38 schrieb Jan Ceuleers: Took 3 years after Dave approached them, but Ubuntu is finally adopting fq_codel as the default qdisc. Yes, if the Linux kernel is forwarding packets it

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-05 Thread Jonas Mårtensson
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:22 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Jonas Mårtensson wrote: > > Speaking about systemd defaults, they just enabled ecn for outgoing > > connections: > > > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/9143 > > What about PLPMTU? Do you think they might tweak

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-04 Thread Michael Richardson
Jonas Mårtensson wrote: > Speaking about systemd defaults, they just enabled ecn for outgoing > connections: > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/9143 What about PLPMTU? Do you think they might tweak that too? net.ipv4.tcp_mtu_probing=2 (despite name, applies to

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-04 Thread David Lang
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018, Bless, Roland (TM) wrote: Hi, Am 24.05.2018 um 17:38 schrieb Jan Ceuleers: Took 3 years after Dave approached them, but Ubuntu is finally adopting fq_codel as the default qdisc. Yes, if the Linux kernel is forwarding packets it makes a lot of sense, but I don't

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-04 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 4 Jun, 2018, at 9:22 pm, Jonas Mårtensson > wrote: > > Speaking about systemd defaults, they just enabled ecn for outgoing > connections: That is also good news. With Apple *and* Ubuntu using it by default, we should finally get critical mass of ECN traffic and any remaining blackholes

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-04 Thread Jonas Mårtensson
Speaking about systemd defaults, they just enabled ecn for outgoing connections: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/9143 /Jonas On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 7:08 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 6:16 AM, Jonas Mårtensson > wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Bless,

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-04 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 6:16 AM, Jonas Mårtensson wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Bless, Roland (TM) > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Am 24.05.2018 um 17:38 schrieb Jan Ceuleers: >> > Took 3 years after Dave approached them, but Ubuntu is finally adopting >> > fq_codel as the default qdisc.

Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-06-04 Thread Bless, Roland (TM)
Hi, Am 24.05.2018 um 17:38 schrieb Jan Ceuleers: > Took 3 years after Dave approached them, but Ubuntu is finally adopting > fq_codel as the default qdisc. Yes, if the Linux kernel is forwarding packets it makes a lot of sense, but I don't understand why it make sense for ordinary end-systems.

[Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking

2018-05-24 Thread Jan Ceuleers
Took 3 years after Dave approached them, but Ubuntu is finally adopting fq_codel as the default qdisc. Forwarded Message Subject: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 14:50:09 - From: Laurent Bonnaud