On Jun 15 2007, Sanford Dickert wrote:
Peter - thanks for the link. Will follow up. We did not get anything
formal, we kept getting the run around.
But question: Supporting Information, either in whole or in part - is
this suggesting that the name of the chemical or the specs (i.e. boiling
point, melting point) or other aspects (IUPAC number) are also
copyrighted?
The answer is usually - it hasn't yet been tested in court. I hold this
is not copyrightable. But the University of Cambridge has already been cut
off by ACS for (perfectly legal) downloaded of multiple copies of articles
- they are quite capable of doing it for machine extraction of what they
regard as copyright.
On 15 Jun 2007 06:17:24 +0100, Dr P. Murray-Rust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 15 2007, Prof. Sanford Dickert wrote:
All -
Quick question: I have been trying to investigate the IP issues
regarding publishing spectra - and my students and I have found little
to tell us there is a problem. We even contacted the ACS and they said
there was no issue.
The releavent policy is contained in pages such as:
http://pubs3.acs.org/acs/journals/supporting_information.page?in_manuscript=jo0706574
which contains the phrase
Electronic Supporting Information files are available without a
subscription to ACS Web Editions. All files are copyrighted by the
American Chemical Society. Files may be downloaded for personal use;
users are not permitted to reproduce, republish, redistribute, or resell
any Supporting Information, either in whole or in part, in either
machine-readable form or any other form. For permission to reproduce
this material, contact the ACS Copyright Office by e-mail at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or by fax at 202-776-8112.
The ACS has insisted in the past that we sign a copyright transfer form
for all supporting information. I have seen no evidence the policy has
changed but if it has we'd be delighted to know. If you have a formal
communication from them on this issue please reproduce it here as it may
then allow us to change strategy.
Now, I am confused - since I *know* that their is an issue, but we
could not find the right person to discuss this with.
Does anyone here have a suggestion on where to look? Any help is
greatly appreciated.
Sanford
On 6/14/07, Christoph Steinbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tobias Kind wrote:
Hi Christoph, I did not argue about curation of the NMRShiftDB, I
think the NMRShiftDB
is
a great thing and I am happy that somebody started and developed it.
I was aware of that but I just could not resist to make my (pointless)
point :-)
I was also very happy that I did not comment on the accusations by
Wolfgang Robien, because a nice BlogWar was developing afterwards.
http://nmrpredict.orc.univie.ac.at/csearchlite/hallofshame.html
http://acdlabs.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/05/update_robien_o.html
Same here - although I will finally have to summarize things and
comment.
You could also argue; how could Wolfgang perform such a statistics
in the first place? Because he could freely download the data :-)
In this way he morphed into an open data spectral curator
in the second place, which was very interesting to watch.
That's why I can't get that smile out of my face when I read the
respective blog fight. I take the reports about errors very
seriously, but not the ones about our model. That was exactly the
moderately original point in our grant proposal for NMRShiftDB - can
we transfer the ideas of open source development to communally
developed databases. It did not work until Wolfgang jumped in :-) I
will blog about this.
What could have happen in NMR research if Wolfgang Robien would
have opened his NMR database with 80,000 carbon NMR spectra and
structures in 1993? We will never know. Maybe we would now talk
about 2D NMR spectra prediction errors instead of talking about 1D
NMR
errors
like: Oh my algorithm is 0.19 ppm better than yours.
Maybe everybody would use comprehensive algorithms like SENECA or
StrucEluc?
Such algorithms are innovative and exciting! And instead of 12
publications
which mention CSearch in the abstract; or 70 at all; there would be
700
publications which made use of CSearch and Wolfgangs algorithms and
databases?
Very well said. I have nothing to add here :-)
Cheers,
Chris
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Univ. Tuebingen, WSI-RA, Sand 1, D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany
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