Re: [steering-discuss] Re: Adoption and implementation of the Community Bylaws

2011-01-09 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi David, *,

Am Sonntag, 9. Januar 2011, 16:12:21 schrieb David Nelson:
(...)
 
 I do *hope* I am wrong. I hope all of the above is true.
 For the moment, I have not seen the proof. ;-)
 Don't *tell* me I'm wrong, *show* me I'm wrong. ;-)
 

I'm a a long time contributor to OOo and now of LibreOffice (and the TDF). I 
know 
most of the people in the SC face to face and know the work they have done for 
OOo 
and the community over a long period. Please keep cool and give things the 
necessary 
time. I know that's not always easy ;-)

  So to come back on the bylaws: we can start to implement them little by
  little but they will only be fully enforced and implemented once we
  have a legal entity. Before we can only lay the pillars and set up
  whatever can be set up without interfering with the legal entity in
  formation.
 
 I think that most of the bylaws can be put into practice absolutely
 independently of the existence of any legal entity. They are a moral
 form of governance and organization. Very little is keyed on any legal
 entity as such. Therefore, may I please enjoin the SC to start with
 implementation as soon as possible?
 

There is currently no legal entity or a legal organisation TDF. Every thing is 
in the 
course of formation. Because I know a bit about German law I can assure you 
that it 
takes a longer time (not days or a month) to establish a foundation. The SC had 
to 
think carefully about the purpose of the foundation, because we (the community) 
want 
to guarentee, that our goals will be served by the foundation in 10 years (or 
later). 
So please give the SC and the involved people the time that is necessary to 
establish 
a strong and appropriate foundation.

I don't think it would be a good idea to coopt some people to the foundation. 
This 
would currently lead to an endless discussion, who should get this priviledge.

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Re: [steering-discuss] ODFAuthors live!

2011-01-16 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Sophie, *,

Am Sonntag, 16. Januar 2011, 09:12:54 schrieb sophie:
(...)
 So too early and now too late, seems a difficult timing for me ;-)
 

seemed so, but better to early than too late ;-)

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Re: [steering-discuss] connecting external services to our domain

2011-01-18 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi David,

Am Dienstag, 18. Januar 2011, 22:04:12 schrieb David Nelson:
 Hi Florian, :-)
 
 Ah! Now I understand why you kept me waiting for 2 weeks for any kind
 of reply to my request! :-D
 
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ODFAuthors-Site-with-workflow-tp228261
 7p2282617.html

please be fair. Florian explained the reason, why he don't want to connect 
external 
services to LO. This has nothing to do with the new ODFAuthors site.

If you think that Alfresco is the best fitting CMS for documentation writing 
inside 
the LO-Team then ask Florian for a resource of TDF. 

I did so with Jean a longer time ago and started the work just in front of 
Christmas. 
The ODFAuthors site is only a offering to the authors of LO documentation. You 
have 
not to accept it. It is used by the authors of the current OOoAuthors group 
anyway.

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Re: [steering-discuss] connecting external services to our domain

2011-01-20 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi David, Nino, *,

Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011, 17:18:09 schrieb David Nelson:
 Hi, :-)
 
 On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 23:20, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote:
  1) Is there any integration (planned?) with odfauthors or is it just
  about a new and different place to produce documentation (specific for
  libreoffice maybe)?
 
 IMHO, it is in the best interests of LibreOffice project for the
 LibreOffice documentation project to have its own workflow, expertise
 and policies for LibreOffice documentation.
 

That's not correct. There is currently a workflow activated that equates the 
last 
workflow of OOoAuthors.org. But it is posible to change this workflow for the 
whole 
site (if the author teams agree) or for only one part (e.g. the LibreOffice 
part). 
Thus I think the workflow should not be the reason to have a special platform.

 However, I proactively asked Jean Weber (odfauthors.org) to be part of
 the Alfresco site and the LibreOffice documentation team. I invited
 her to have an admin account on the Alfresco site, and actually gave
 her one despite her only-lukewarm interest, to encourage her close
 participation.
 
 But she is very taken up with odfauthors, and does not seem want any
 close involvement in the LibreOffice documentation team. I even
 suggested to her to take team leadership of the LibreOffice docs team
 two times in the past. But she's very much occupied with odfauthors.


But if both documentation teams (partial the same people) work in the same 
environment together, it would be posible to learn from each other.

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Re: [steering-discuss] connecting external services to our domain

2011-01-20 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi David, *,

Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011, 20:33:59 schrieb David Nelson:
 Hi Andreas, :-)
 
 You're obviously entitled to your opinions, and I'm obviously entitled
 to mine. ;-)
 
 But this is a request that I'm submitting to the SC for their
 consideration.

I read your submitting already.

As I wrote long time ago to you on one our lists (I don't remember on which), 
we are 
on mailinglists and nobody needs your posts a second, a third  time.

Every mailinglist has an archive and many user have an archive on there PC too. 
Thus 
it is not necessary to sent every thing twice etc.
You should also keep in mind that some users get their mails on landline (not 
DSL).

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Re: [steering-discuss] connecting external services to our domain

2011-01-20 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi David, *,

I don't know what is your purpose. You sent your submitting to the SC a third 
time 
now (if I count right). Why are you doing this. I told you in my last mail that 
this 
is not necessary. You pay no attention to the netiquette. What's the reason for 
your 
behavior? I'm very curious.

Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011, 21:23:01 schrieb David Nelson:
 Hi Andreas, :-)
 
 Thought: I think that odfauthors.org is a great resource for smaller
 Open Source projects that don't have the people, time or resources to
 properly develop their own documentation.
 

It seemed to me as if you have no knowledge about the power of the Plone CMS 
(in its 
current version).

 But I think it's in the best interests of a *major* software project
 like LibreOffice to have an in-house documentation team that is really
 specialized in the product.

Did you know how big the documentation team of OOo is (was). We are in the 
tradition 
of OOo here. We continue our former work under a new roof under different 
conditions.

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Re: [steering-discuss] paid Doodle account

2011-01-21 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Florian, *,

Am Freitag, 21. Januar 2011, 12:09:50 schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 Hello,
 
 some of you may have noticed that the Doodle polls for our calls are
 without advertisings since January. I tested out the Doodle Premium
 service for one free month.
 
 I'd like to keep the ad-freeness, it's not that annoying and looks much
 more professional. Anyone knows of a solution that does this for free?
 Moreganize is much better IMHO, but they don't support timezones yet,
 and I don't have the time right now to look into self-hosted solutions.
 
 If we find nothing else, anyone would object to spend the 22 € from our
 TDF funds for one year of ad-free Doodle? Or don't you care about the ads?

I don't think, we should spent the money on this.
What did you think about this tool?:
http://gpl.univ-avignon.fr/rdvz/
We can host this on our own resource.

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Re: [steering-discuss] paid Doodle account

2011-01-21 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Florian, *,

Am Freitag, 21. Januar 2011, 20:27:43 schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 Hi,
 
 Andreas Mantke wrote on 2011-01-21 20.14:
  I don't think, we should spent the money on this.
  What did you think about this tool?:
  http://gpl.univ-avignon.fr/rdvz/
  We can host this on our own resource.
 
 I think installing it costs more time than 22 € are worth. :-) However,
 if someone volunteers, I'm happy to wait for it.

Can I get a test environment on pumbaa? Then I volunteer.

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Re: [steering-discuss] Membership application numbers

2011-05-05 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Sophie, *,

Am Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011, 19:54:31 schrieb sophie:
 Hi Andreas,
 
 On 04/05/2011 20:28, Andreas Mantke wrote:
(...)
  it would be nice to have them on the TDF-website or inside the wiki. What
  do you think?
 
 Ah, yes, of course :) That it's in its way to be done, just give us some
 time. André will shape the page in the next days, and if he doesn't have
 the time to do it, I will. Let says that by the end of next week it will
 be done.

it would be great to have that list in public in front of the talk that Michael 
will 
give at the LinuxTag on Thursday next week ;-)

http://www.linuxtag.org/2011/de/program/freies-vortragsprogramm/popup/donnerstag-12-
mai.html

http://www.linuxtag.org/2011/de/program/freies-
vortragsprogramm/popup/vortragsdetails.html?no_cache=1talkid=209

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[steering-discuss] Running for a BoD-Seat at the TDF

2011-09-28 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,

I'll announce my candidacy for a Board of Directors seat at The Document 
Foundation

Who am I?

I'm  Andreas Mantke, 52 years old, maried and father of two boys. I live in 
Duisburg, 
North-Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. I work for a social security institution 
called 
Deutsche Rentenversicherung Rheinland in Düsseldorf. I'm there an office-worker 
and 
had to deal with rules and regulations. Thus I'm very familiar with the German 
law.

I worked since autumn 2002 for the community of OpenOffice.org. I was there 
responsible for the documentation inside the German speaking lang-project for a 
long 
time and started the work on OpenOffice.org Portable there. I wrote also some 
documentation myself, that were published on ther projects website.
I worked with the OOo-extensions-site-project since it's beginning and upgraded 
the 
OOoAuthors-Site to a new Plone environment. I gave also some presentations 
about 
OpenOffice.org (Portable) at conferences and other events and run some bothes 
together with other project members. I'm with TDF and LibreOffice since it's 
announcement.

I'm one of the founders of the German association Freies Office Deutschland 
e.V., but 
I have no special role there.


What have I done for TDF / LibreOffice?

I continued my work with presentations and running both together with other 
project 
members. Thus we had a both at the Open Rhein Ruhr in Oberhausen and at the 
Cebit in 
Hannover. I set up a new environment for the former OOoAuthors-team (now 
ODFAuthors) 
and the German speaking documentation team. I did also some Easy Hacks on the 
LibreOffice code base (especially translation of comments).
Currently I'm working on the new LibreOffice extensions and template repository 
and 
cooperate there with the Plone community.

Why do I candidate for a seat in BoD?

I'm very convinced that we need an open source and free software office suite 
and 
that this development should be done under the hat of our own independent 
meritocratic organisation. Thus I'm supporting The Document Foundation from is 
announcement.  If I'll be a member of the board, I'll work together with the 
other 
board members to shape and grow up the foundation. I think that I could also 
help 
with the paperwork, especially in relation to German authorities, because I 
have some 
experience with this from my daily job and know the German language well ;-).

If you have questions, please ask.

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Re: [steering-discuss] chairmen

2011-10-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Florian, *,

Am Sonntag, 30. Oktober 2011, 19:44:02 schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 Hello,
 
 sorry for spamming you so massively today, but I want to use the free
 day to get some formal things done for TDF.
 

I assist you in spamming a bit ;-)
(...)
 The statues do not set explicit rules on whom to appoint, they just
 foresee that the BoD appoints two of its members to these roles. NB:
 Deputies can, to my understanding, *not* be appointed chairmen.

that's correct. The deputies cannot serve as chairman.

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[board-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] Vote for MC elections

2011-11-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Am Mittwoch, 2. November 2011, 13:27:03 schrieb Caolan McNamara:
 On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 10:30 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
  I call the BoD to vote on the following:
  
  ==
  We postpone the MC elections and will have elections next year, so the
  next MC will be in place by July 1st, 2012.
 
 +1, seems sane.
 
 C.

+1

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Re: [board-discuss] poll on regular BoD times

2011-11-07 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Michael, *,

Am Montag, 7. November 2011, 18:33:45 schrieb Michael Meeks:
 On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 13:14 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
  it seems we didn't yet come up with a solution. Everyone voted (thanks
  for that!), and e.g. Wednesday 1600 UTC looks rather good, with 7 people
  joining and 2 possibly, giving a total of 9.
 
   Right.
 
  On the weekend, however, it looks rather bad.
 
   Again - I don't believe using the weekend as an idea to get more people
 into the call is a great idea :-) particularly if it means making the
 time of the call erratic: with some long weeks Wed - next Sat, and some
 short Sat - Wed (or whatever).
 
   So I'd really suggest a regular call, the same time every week, and if
 we only take 30mins each time - that is of course fine. Somehow the TSC
 call manages to take nearly 1hr nearly every week - though perhaps that
 is bad time-keeping ;-)
 
  I am fine if we don't do one on the weekends, but wanted to give
  everyone a chance again in case two times in the evening is not desired.
 
   It seems the hardest people to get are Andreas and Charles -
 Andreas/Charles: did you notice the 'orange' (-might-be-able-to) state ?
 (I see you didn't use it).
 
  http://doodle.com/rqay5h7syg45by9x

I know the might-be-able-to and made two changes to my doodle-entry. I don't 
know, 
if I can make it for every call at 5pm, but I try.

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Re: [board-discuss] Electing a BoD chairperson and it's deputy

2011-12-01 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, 1. Dezember 2011, 21:47:56 schrieb Michael Meeks:
 On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 17:18 -0200, Olivier Hallot wrote:
  My vote is for Florian Effenberger as Chairman and Thorsten Behrens as
  Chairman Deputy.
 
   +1 :-)
 
   Michael.

+1 from a Deputy :-)

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Re: [board-discuss] Reminder: BoD call tomorrow

2012-01-10 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Florian, *,

Am Dienstag, 10. Januar 2012, 13:54:46 schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 Hello,
 
 just a quick reminder:
 
 Tomorrow, Wednesday, at 1600 UTC (=1700 German time), we have the next
 BoD call. Agenda and dial-in details at the usual place in the wiki.


are there only one topic: Cebit?
 
 I don't know if I can make it, as I'm still on vacation, but I'll try.

I keep my fingers cross ;-)

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Re: [board-discuss] next BoD call on Wednesday

2012-02-07 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten,

Am Dienstag, 7. Februar 2012, 15:53:47 schrieb Thorsten Behrens:
 Florian Effenberger wrote:
  this is just a quick reminder that our next BoD call takes place on
  Wednesday, 1600 UTC.
 
 I'm travelling at that time, will try to attend but cannot promise -
 just in case, Andreas, can you stand-in for me?

if nothing special happens, I can jump in. I'll be in the call tomorrow and can 
stand-in for you.

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Re: [board-discuss] next BoD call on Wednesday

2012-02-07 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Florian, *,

Am Montag, 6. Februar 2012, 13:40:22 schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 Hello,
 
 this is just a quick reminder that our next BoD call takes place on
 Wednesday, 1600 UTC.
 
 Dial-in details and the agenda where you can contribute to are available
 at the usual place: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings

do we have an agenda for the call already? I can't find a list of items in the 
wiki 
yet.

I think we had to talk about Cebit and missing items for that event.

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[board-discuss] AB-Member and ESC-Member on TDF-Website

2012-02-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,

I looked on the TDF-Website and found out that there is no entry about the 
member of 
the AB and of the ESC. Although they are no organs of the TDF (like BoD, MC or 
Board 
of Trustees) they are very important for TDF and the development of 
LibreOffice. I 
think we should create special sections on the TDF-Website for them and publish 
the 
AB-Member and ESC-Member (the information is currently a bit difficult to find 
only 
in the wiki or blog) on the website.

But before we create such sections on the TDF-Website, we should ask the 
AB-Member 
and the ESC-Member, if we should publish only the companies / institutions or 
also 
the representatives and what information they want to chare about themselfes / 
their 
company (in relation to TDF/Free Software) with the public.

We need one or more volunteers from the BoD for this task and works maybe in 
colaboration with the website team on the new sections of the website.

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Re: [board-discuss] BoD call, unavailable today

2012-04-04 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Olivier,

Am 04.04.2012 11:30, schrieb Olivier Hallot:
 Hello

 Due to business metting today I may not be available for the call and
 therefore I ask one of our deputies to step in, in the following order
 of their availability:

 Jesus Corriu
 Bjoern Michaelsen
 Andreas Mankte

 Thanks you all

I'll be in the call today and could step in, if Jesus or Björn couldn't
make it.

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Re: [board-discuss] BoD call on Wednesday

2012-07-23 Thread Andreas Mantke

Hi,

I'm not available for the call this Wednesday.

Regards,
Andreas

Am 23.07.2012 13:19, schrieb Olivier Hallot:

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Hi
I also have to ask one of our deputies to step in as I will be in a
giving a lecture on FOSS event.
I'll ask Andreas Mantke, Bjoern, Jesus to step in, based on their
availablilty.

Thank you.


Em 23-07-2012 01:32, Florian Effenberger escreveu:

Hello,

this is just a short reminder, that our next BoD call will take place on
Wednesday. The agenda and the dial-in details are at the usual place in
the wiki. Please remember to nominate your deputies in time, in case you
can't join.

Looking forward to hearing you,
Florian

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Re: [board-discuss] daylight savings time

2012-10-25 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Florian,

Am 23.10.2012 13:31, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 Hello,

 in many countries, the daylight savings time will end soon. In
 Germany, in the night to October 28th, clocks will be set one hour
 back, so the local time will be UTC+1 from then on, instead of UTC+2
 like it is now.

 In other words:
 For many countries, our 1500 UTC scheduled board calls will soon be
 one hour earlier, like 1600 local time instead of 1700.

 Shall we reschedule to 1600 UTC, to keep the same local time for most
 countries?

please reschedule. 16.00 local time would be too early for me.

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Re: [board-discuss] BoD call on Wednesday

2012-12-10 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Florian, *,

Am 10.12.2012 09:31, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 Hello,

 this is a short reminder that we have a BoD call on Wednesday, 1600 UTC

 Dial-in details as well as the agenda are available at
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings. I have just added
 three agenda items to the existing ones.

 Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend this time, as I am on the
 road. I therefore call any of the deputies Andreas Mantke, Björn
 Michaelsen or Jesús Corrius, in that order, to represent me during the
 call, and ask Thorsten Behrens to be the session chair.

I'm afraid I could not step in. I'm away too.

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Re: [board-discuss] Reminder: BoD Call on Wednesday

2013-05-13 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

Am 13.05.2013 17:28, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 Hello,

 this is a quick reminder that the next BoD call takes place this
 Wednesday at 1500 UTC. If you cannot make it, please nominate your
 deputy in time.

 The dial-in details as well as an agenda you can add items to is
 available at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings


I'll not attend because I'm representing TDF at the Stiftungstag in
Düsseldorf the whole day.

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Re: [board-discuss] hiring Christian Lohmaier

2013-06-10 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi,

Am 10.06.2013 18:15, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 Dear community,

 in its last private meeting, the board of directors has made a
 decision I would like to share with you today.

 We decided to offer Christian Lohmaier a work contract, for a limited
 period of one year, part-time with 20 hours per week, specifically for
 web development. This involves developing, enhancing and bug fixing
 our web applications, like our CMS system, and like the new download
 page.

 Given TDF runs more and more applications that are critical, and has
 very special requirements e.g. in terms of localization and
 scaleability, which are not always met by the upstream products we
 run, several community members have proposed paying someone with
 development skills - especially in PHP, Python, Perl, C, C++, Java -
 to implement those requests.

 After careful research, the board has come to the decision that hiring
 Christian Lohmaier on a part-time, time-limited basis specifically for
 these development tasks is the most economical solution, and will
 provide huge benefits to the wider community. Code produced will,
 wherever possible, be also filed upstream, to the benefit of the open
 source products we use.

 Christian has been around for many years, contributing a lot
 especially to our web applications, and the board is looking forward
 to have a fixed amount of his time in the future.

 The total costs for TDF, including dues employer, translate to
 approximately 25.000 € per year.

 After the contract has been drafted now and sent to the board in
 private, I hereby ask the board to

 1. vote on hiring Christian Lohmaier, for a limited period of one
 year, part-time with 20 hours per week, specifically for web
 development, at costs not exceeding 25.000 € per year,
 
 2. authorize Thorsten Behrens and me to sign the work contract on
 behalf of TDF
 
 Looking forward to working with Christian!

+1 from my side. I'm looking forward to some Python website hacking ;-)

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Re: [board-discuss] daylight savings and board call time

2013-10-20 Thread Andreas Mantke
Am 20.10.2013 19:57, schrieb Italo Vignoli:
 On 10/20/2013 07:22 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

 My preference is moving to 1600 UTC, keeping effective time the same.
 I agree.

+1

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[board-discuss] Running for a Board of Directors Seat at the TDF

2013-11-06 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

I'll run for a Board of Directors seat at the Document Foundation again.

I'm Andreas Mantke, now 54 years old, and I live in Duisburg,
North-Rhine-Westfalia, Germany. I work in the office of a social
security institution called Deutsche Rentenversicherung Rheinland in
Düsseldorf and had to deal with rules and regulations there.

I worked since autumn 2002 for the community of LibreOffice and it's
antecessor. I was responsible there for the documentation inside the
German speaking lang-project for long time, wrote some free licensed
howtos myself and started work on the portable version of the office
suite. I worked also with the former extensions and templates site and
upgraded the ODFAuthors site to a newer Plone environment.

I gave also some presentations about the office suite and documentation
at conferences and other events and run some boothes together with other
project members. I'm with TDF and LibreOffice since it's announcement.

I'm one of the founders of the German association Freies Office
Deutschland e.V., but I have no special role there.

Once LibreOffice was born I continued my work with presentations and
running boothes together with other project members, e.g. at Open Rhein
Ruhr in Oberhausen, at the Cebit in Hannover and at LinuxTag in Berlin.
Alongside I worked on a new environment for the Authors documentation
team and made a few easy commits to the source code of LibreOffice. I
created the new LibreOffice extensions and template repository and the
conference sites for the LibreOffice conferences in Berlin and Milan,
which I maintain.

In the last nearly two years I served on the BoD as a deputy member and
worked together with the other board members to shape and grow up the
foundation. I want to continue this work, because our way of the
development of an open source and free office software within a own
independent meritocratic organization showed already success and I'm
convinced that we should go further in this direction with openness and
transparency as we already did.

Cheers,
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Re: [board-discuss] Reminder: BoD call next Wednesday

2013-12-10 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

Am 09.12.2013 20:27, schrieb Thorsten Behrens:
 Florian Effenberger wrote:
 this is a short reminder that our next BoD call is Wednesday,
 December 11, at 1600 UTC.

 There is the slight chance I cannot make it (travelling that day), in
 case that happens, I authorize Andreas and Jesus (in that order) to
 represent me.
if the Deutsche Bahn works as expected I'll attend the meeting and could
jump in.

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[board-discuss] Re: Accepting my position in the Board

2014-01-06 Thread Andreas Mantke
I, Andreas Mantke, elected Deputy Director of the Board of The
Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung
bürgerlichen Rechts The Document Foundation. My term will start
February 18, 2014.

Signed: Andreas Mantke

Ich, Andreas Mantke, gewähltes Ersatz-Vorstandsmitglied der The
Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen
Rechts The Document Foundation an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18.
Februar 2014.

Signed: Andreas Mantke

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Re: [board-discuss] Resigning from TDF Board of Directors

2015-03-12 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Adam, Thorsten, all,

Am 12.03.2015 um 20:19 schrieb Thorsten Behrens:
 Hi Adam,

 you wrote:
 I am writing to inform you that I am officially resigning from
 my position as member of the board of directors of The Document
 Foundation, effective Sunday, March 8th 2015. As I am an employee of
 CloudOn, and CloudOn has been recently acquired by Dropbox - I am
 resigning so I can focus on my new role at Dropbox.

 I thank all of you for the extremely interesting  educating
 experience this has been. I am honored to have served alongside the
 other outstanding board members. Thank you for giving me the
 opportunity to have been a part of The Document Foundation.

 Personally, on behalf of the board, and I'm certain on behalf of the
 entire community, I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude for
 everything you've done -- both personally and as a representative for
 CloudOn, inside the board, for the community, and for the LibreOffice
 project.

first of all I want to thank you, Adam, very much for your work for and
support of The Document Foundation, it's community and LibreOffice.


 In such a case, our statutes foresee that the first deputy is promoted
 to being a member of the Board of Directors.

 It is thus my duty, and my honour to ask you, Andreas Mantke, if you
 accept your promotion to being a full member of Board of Directors of
 The Document Foundation, effective Sunday, March 8th 2015?

I accept the promotion to being a member of the Board of Directors of The
Document Foundation from this day forward and will start my duty as such
on March 12th, 2015.

Regards,
Andreas

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[board-discuss] Representation in my absence

2015-04-14 Thread Andreas Mantke
I, Andreas Mantke, elected member of the board of The Document
Foundation, hereby and until further notice, nominate the following
deputies to represent me during board calls, in the order set forth below:

 1. Deputy Eike Rathke
 2. Deputy Norbert Thiebaud

Regards,
Andreas Mantke

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Re: [board-discuss] cooperation with Do-FOSS?

2015-07-17 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi,

Am 14.07.2015 um 01:38 schrieb Thorsten Behrens:
 Florian Effenberger wrote:
 We would be thrilled if we could expand our effort of providing a
 knowledge and partnership to the city council of Dortmund by adding
 the Document Foundation. For example the experience the city of
 Munich has made through the LiMux-Project could contribute to our
 aim very valuably.

 Hi Florian, all,

 this looks rather supportable to me. While I don't think TDF's main
 purpose is lobbying, we're certainly well-placed to share best
 practices, and help as a go-between Do-FOSS and our ecosystem.

 So +1 from me.
+1 for me too.

Regards,
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[board-discuss] Running for a Board of Directors Seat at the TDF

2015-11-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

I'll run for a Board of Directors seat at the Document Foundation again.

I'm Andreas Mantke, now 56 years old, and I live in Duisburg,
North-Rhine-Westfalia, Germany. I'm unaffilated. This means I don't work for a 
company 
doing business around LibreOffice nor do I earn any money from my work for 
LibreOffice 
and TDF. I'm also not in a (commercial) partnership with a company doing 
business around LibreOffice or TDF.

I'm employed by a social security institution in Düsseldorf and work there in 
the office with files and German regulations.

I'm active in the community of LibreOffice and it's antecessor already since 
autumn 2002. 
Currently I administrate the LibreOffice extensions and templates as well as 
the ODFAuthors website, two sites running on the Content Management System 
Plone. I develop two 
new addons for the LibreOffice extensions and templates website to make it even 
better.
 
Alongside my work with the ODFAuthors and the extensions and templates website 
I run boothes 
together with other project members, e.g. at Open Rhein Ruhr in Oberhausen, at 
the FOSDEM in Brussels, 
at the Cebit in Hannover and at the didacta in Stuttgart.

I served as a deputy member and a member for the last nearly four years and 
worked together with the 
other board members to grow the community of and improve the setting to make it 
even more easy 
to contribute to LibreOffice.

I want to continue this work, because our way of the development of an open 
source and free office 
software within an own independent meritocratic organization showed already 
success. I'm convinced 
that we should go further in this direction, stay with openess, transparency 
and diversity. Thus I'm
a supporter of our transparent budget and financial reports as well as the way 
to tender projects and the like.

Cheers,
Andreas

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Re: [board-discuss] Questions for the candidates to the board of directors of the Document Foundation

2015-11-28 Thread Andreas Mantke
Am 02.11.2015 um 17:38 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
> (...).
>
> 1. Do you commit yourself to have enough time and the necessary
> technological tools in order to participate to the regularly scheduled
> board calls?

Yes. I already did that in the last nearly four years. I asked my
employer for some days of vacation to attend all in-person meetings
(including informal ones).
And I have no issue to use the tools provided by the TDF infra team.

>
>
> 2. Do you commit yourself to follow up and work on (at least) the main
> items and actions you have volunteered to oversee or that have been
> attributed to you by the board?

I did that already within the current board.

>
>
> 3. What are your views on the foundation's budget? How should the
> money be spent, besides our fixed costs?

The project TDF and LibreOffice needs a good technilogical
infrastructure. We invest already in this area and had to go further in
this way. This means not only invest in hardware and the use of free
software but also in growing up the infra structure team that drive this
area (e.g. organize frequent infra meetings/hackfests).
Beside this we need to invest more resources in building local (and
global) communities with technical and non-technical members. We need to
make more local meetings and especially also such with attending devs
and non-technical members.
We should focus more on educating people about our free office suite and
the importance of free standards, especially the default use of ODF.
Thus we need to spend more resources and  money on traveling of
especially local people to events, schools, universities and other
opportunities to get our messages across.
TDF will support the growth of the ecosystem and will point of the
opportunity of business entities to contract developers for implementing
features, fixing bugs etc.

>
>
> 4. Should we work towards broadening our pool of contributors, both
> technical and non-technical?

We already have a vital community of developers and we just contracted a
mentor for (especially new) contributors to the LibreOffice development.
But I think it's important to focus in the same way onto the more
non-technical part. We need to invest more in helping and growing up our
local communities, e.g. support more local community meetings, local
marketing (roadshows, events etc.) (and joint meetings of technical and
non-technical contributors).

>
>
> 5. Should the Foundation -as an entity distinct from the LibreOffice
> project or the Document Liberation project- engage into growing its
> influence and promoting and defending Free Software and Digital
> Freedom? It is, after all, an integral part of its mission per its
> very Statutes. If yes, do you have ideas on what should be done about
> this? 

It's part of the mission and I'm promoting free software and open
standards as often as possible, e.g. I attended meetings about open data
for this reason and talked there about the use of ODF as standard.

> 6. How do you view your (potential) role as a member of the board of
> directors, given that this position does not give you any specific
> functional role inside the LibreOffice or Document Liberation projects?

The members of the board are responsible for running the entity
according to the regulations. Aside this they are only member of the
community with their area of contribution. Their opinions etc.   - like
those of other community member  too - may have some bigger influence in
the discussion process because of their experience and knowledge. But
that has nothing to do with sitting on the board.

>
>
> 7. What is the biggest problem of the foundation in your opinion? What
> is its biggest opportunity?
>
I would not speak about the biggest problem, but it is always an issue
of organisations and it's the field of our biggest opportunity at the
same time:

Organisations as well as groups tend to have their own language and
struggle always with openess, transparency and the culture of welcome.
TDF has done a good job in this field already with making decision,
income and spendings as transparent as possible. We need to go further
in this direction. This is not an easy task, but it is worth to put some
effort into this, especially to strengthen TDF's widely recognized
organisational culture. This will help us to attract more (also
non-technical) contributors and to get supported by other institutions.

Kind regards,
Andreas

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Re: [board-discuss] Running for a Board of Directors Seat at the TDF

2015-11-29 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

and here my ~75 word candidate statement:

56 years old, living in Duisburg, Germany, no corporate affiliation. I
worked with the community since 2002 in different areas, e.g. created
and run the extensions/templates-site, gave presentations about our
project and run boothes. I served on the BoD for the last four years and
like to run for another two years, because I believe in our way of a
stable independent meritocratic (open and transparent) organization for
our office software project.

Kind regards,
Andreas


Am 24.11.2015 um 22:16 schrieb Andreas Mantke:
> Hello,
>
> I'll run for a Board of Directors seat at the Document Foundation again.
>
> I'm Andreas Mantke, now 56 years old, and I live in Duisburg,
> North-Rhine-Westfalia, Germany. I'm unaffilated. This means I don't work for 
> a company 
> doing business around LibreOffice nor do I earn any money from my work for 
> LibreOffice 
> and TDF. I'm also not in a (commercial) partnership with a company doing 
> business around LibreOffice or TDF.
>
> I'm employed by a social security institution in Düsseldorf and work there in 
> the office with files and German regulations.
>
> I'm active in the community of LibreOffice and it's antecessor already since 
> autumn 2002. 
> Currently I administrate the LibreOffice extensions and templates as well as 
> the ODFAuthors website, two sites running on the Content Management System 
> Plone. I develop two 
> new addons for the LibreOffice extensions and templates website to make it 
> even better.
>  
> Alongside my work with the ODFAuthors and the extensions and templates 
> website I run boothes 
> together with other project members, e.g. at Open Rhein Ruhr in Oberhausen, 
> at the FOSDEM in Brussels, 
> at the Cebit in Hannover and at the didacta in Stuttgart.
>
> I served as a deputy member and a member for the last nearly four years and 
> worked together with the 
> other board members to grow the community of and improve the setting to make 
> it even more easy 
> to contribute to LibreOffice.
>
> I want to continue this work, because our way of the development of an open 
> source and free office 
> software within an own independent meritocratic organization showed already 
> success. I'm convinced 
> that we should go further in this direction, stay with openess, transparency 
> and diversity. Thus I'm
> a supporter of our transparent budget and financial reports as well as the 
> way to tender projects and the like.
>
> Cheers,
> Andreas
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Re: [board-discuss] No Candidacy To The Next Board

2017-11-28 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Michael, all,

Am 27.11.2017 um 10:15 schrieb Michael Meeks:
> Hi Andreas,
> 
> On 26/11/17 23:56, Andreas Mantke wrote:
>> I have been (deputy) member of the board for about six years now and
>> from my personal view it's time to take a break or a change. I have been
>> involved in other volunteer projects for a while now and got the offer
>> to work further within them. I'll take this offer.
> 
>   Thanks for your long and dedicated service ! I really hope you can find
> time to continue to maintain the extensions pieces & your other
> technical contributions to the project.
> 

I can't promise that for the next seven or fifteen years. I'm really
sure that I wouldn't take a workload again, where I used my whole
(awake) spare time to work on the project and take no real vacation,
break etc. and get in return not too much positive feedback, but some
complaint.

I worked on the LibreOffice extensions and templates site and installed
a security patch today.

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[board-discuss] No Candidacy To The Next Board

2017-11-26 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

I have thought a lot during the last time, if I should run again for the
next board and came from a mixture of reasons to the conclusion that I
will not run again.

I have been (deputy) member of the board for about six years now and
from my personal view it's time to take a break or a change. I have been
involved in other volunteer projects for a while now and got the offer
to work further within them. I'll take this offer.

I also got a change in my paid work that leads me to some interesting
new topics, but needs some extra energy to get on speed.

That are only two of my reasons.

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[board-discuss] Procedure Of TDF Board Elections

2017-10-29 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

the elections for the next TDF Board of Directors has been started one
and a half week ago. The decision on the list of members that have a
vote in this election has been done by the membership committee in its
current composition. The announcement of the elections was done by the
current chair of the membership committee.

I took not that he nominates himself for the upcoming elections yet,
that he and the MC has to run and oversee.

First: I have no personal issue with him or other members or supporters
of LibreOffice!

Second: I'm not used to a procedure in elections where a candidate is
also the one or part of the group that run and/or oversee the elections
(and/or the entitlement to vote) and I've taken part in elections of
different organizations in the past (smaller and bigger organizations).
And in my opinion a process with a clear separation between 'election
committee' and candidates would be in the best interest of TDF and was
also the perception of the TDF founder (Freies Office Deutschland e.V.).
If the founder would have had another perception, the current regulation
with the MC running the elections for the board and the board running
the elections for the MC wouldn't make that much sense.

Third: I already shared this view with all involved people internal
during the last weeks. My take on this didn't change during the last two
years.

Fourth: I'm also no fan of stepping down during the period of duty to
get the position inside another body.

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Re: [board-discuss] Procedure Of TDF Board Elections

2017-10-29 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Klaus-Jürgen, all,

Am 29.10.2017 um 13:02 schrieb K-J LibreOffice:
> Hi Andreas, all,
> Am 29.10.2017 um 10:29 schrieb Andreas Mantke:
>> the elections for the next TDF Board of Directors has been started one
>> and a half week ago. The decision on the list of members that have a
>> vote in this election has been done by the membership committee in its
>> current composition. The announcement of the elections was done by the
>> current chair of the membership committee.
> 
> That was his job to do until now.
seemed we share not the same view here. I think everyone who consider to
candidate should step down before she/he was involved in any procedure
(also preparing procedure) of the election.

> I asked Cor to make his candidacy as early as possible so that the MC
> has the ability to react. Cor makes this in a fine way (for me) as he
> didn't wait too long.
> 

See above. We didn't share the same view on the best process here.

>> I took not that he nominates himself for the upcoming elections yet,
>> that he and the MC has to run and oversee.
> 
> As he steps down from chair now he won't run or oversee the election.
> We have an exeptional MC-meeting about BoD-election tommorow.
> And the MC has to vote for a new chair.
> 

I didn't share that only the step down from the chair is enough. I
explained that already two years ago in another case.

>> Second: I'm not used to a procedure in elections where a candidate is
>> also the one or part of the group that run and/or oversee the elections
>> (and/or the entitlement to vote) and I've taken part in elections of
>> different organizations in the past (smaller and bigger organizations).
> 
> It is the same as if the BoD has to vote about some tenders for one
> affiliated companies. The part is out of voting, overseeing it or
> something like that.
> 

I wouldn't go to further here. This are two different things, but to add
there is always the risk to get no vote because of too much connected
members of the body.

>> And in my opinion a process with a clear separation between 'election
>> committee' and candidates would be in the best interest of TDF and was
>> also the perception of the TDF founder (Freies Office Deutschland e.V.).
>> If the founder would have had another perception, the current regulation
>> with the MC running the elections for the board and the board running
>> the elections for the MC wouldn't make that much sense.
> 
> See the statutes.
> 

Didn't get your message here.

>> Third: I already shared this view with all involved people internal
>> during the last weeks. My take on this didn't change during the last two
>> years.
>>
>> Fourth: I'm also no fan of stepping down during the period of duty to
>> get the position inside another body.
> 
> That is until now the only way to demonstrate to be not involved in
> election.
> 

I think we talk about different things here. I tried to explain that in
my opinion someone who was elected for two years and didn't explain his
electors in front of his election that he wouldn't serve for two years,
but only for one or a bit more years, creates an issue with his former
electors. He needs to explain, why he'll not serve the whole period and
/or if there is an emergency to apply for another body.

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Re: [board-discuss] Procedure Of TDF Board Elections

2017-10-31 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, all,

Am 31.10.2017 um 08:45 schrieb Cor Nouws:
> Hi Andreas, all,
> 
> Andreas Mantke wrote on 30-10-17 23:08:
>> The number of remaining active members of the MC is one issue. The other
>> one is the role of the MC in connection to the board (and the other way
>> around). The tasks (and power) of the MC are written in § 12 I of the
>> statutes. The statutes foresee that the MC act as independent as
>> possible from the board (and the other way around too). Thus the people
>> acting on both bodies shouldn't have immunity of witness because of a or
>> economic dependence to a member of the the other body.
> 
> There is indeed always the situation that people have contact with each
> other, either for work in TDF, business, because of friendship, or
> avoiding because of (ancient) conflict. These may influence how one acts

that's not the topic, I wrote about. I wrote about very close personal
or economic connections, not the usual friendship etc.

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Re: [board-discuss] Procedure Of TDF Board Elections

2017-10-31 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, all,

Am 31.10.2017 um 17:12 schrieb Cor Nouws:
> Hi Andreas,
> 
> Andreas Mantke wrote on 31-10-17 13:44:
> 
>> that's not the topic, I wrote about. I wrote about very close personal
>> or economic connections, not the usual friendship etc.
> 
> In business, one often makes the most deals with people you're friendly
> with ;)
> So let's try to all be friends and use the appropriate rules to prevent
> personal relations being the stronger argument than rational considerations.
> 

I'm not talking about not being friendly with each other (that's also a
rule written in the statutes), but about the fact that TDF is an
organization with rules and a lot of credit based also on good behavior
and transparent administration/organization.

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Re: [board-discuss] Procedure Of TDF Board Elections

2017-10-31 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Simon, Cor, all,

Am 31.10.2017 um 19:19 schrieb Simon Phipps:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Andreas Mantke <ma...@gmx.de
> <mailto:ma...@gmx.de>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Cor, all,
> 
> Am 31.10.2017 um 17:12 schrieb Cor Nouws:
>     > Hi Andreas,
> >
> > Andreas Mantke wrote on 31-10-17 13:44:
> >
> >> that's not the topic, I wrote about. I wrote about very close personal
> >> or economic connections, not the usual friendship etc.
> >
> > In business, one often makes the most deals with people you're friendly
> > with ;)
> > So let's try to all be friends and use the appropriate rules to prevent
> > personal relations being the stronger argument than rational 
> considerations.
> >
> 
> I'm not talking about not being friendly with each other (that's also a
> rule written in the statutes), but about the fact that TDF is an
> organization with rules and a lot of credit based also on good behavior
> and transparent administration/organization.
> 
> 
> Andreas, do you have a specific request or proposal?
> 

yes, as I already mentioned and quoted here:

"Thus the people acting on both bodies shouldn't have immunity of
witness because of a or economic dependence to a member of the the other
body."


And another recommendation that I think would be worth to follow:

"I think it would be too bad to have a longer break before one get
elected for another body."

I don't think that a good organization/community need to put this into
rules/statutes, but should have it in their DNA.

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Re: [board-discuss] Procedure Of TDF Board Elections

2017-10-31 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, all,

Am 31.10.2017 um 20:41 schrieb Cor Nouws:
> Hi Andreas,
> 
> Andreas Mantke wrote on 31-10-17 19:54:
(...)
> 
>> I don't think that a good organization/community need to put this into
>> rules/statutes, but should have it in their DNA.
> 
> If you think about possibilities to help with that, you're really
> welcome to join/oversee the procedures from the MC in the current
> elections, which is at least one side of that.
>

it's not the best idea to ask a board deputy)( member to oversee the
elections of the board, is it?

And it was not my suggestion to do such things. My recommendation (and
this for the candidacy for both bodies) states that is not the best idea
to try to jump over the fence, because one of them has to have an eye on
the work of the other. But everyone has to think about this situation
himself and decide on himself.

Personal note: I myself would feel very comfortable if I would candidate
for the MC half a year after I left the BoD.

And to illustrate my personal view a bit more: We had already regional
elections and the old government was voted down. A lot of them stayed in
the parliament, but they will not be member of parliamentary
commissions, that debate about topics of their former position (it's no
written rule, but an agreement and everyone knows what to do).

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Re: [board-discuss] Procedure Of TDF Board Elections

2017-10-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, Michael, all,

Am 30.10.2017 um 14:34 schrieb Thorsten Behrens:
> Hi Michael, Andreas, *
> 
> letting the rest of the discussion stand for the moment - this much:
> 
> Michael Meeks wrote:
>>  Having said that - in general, it is clearly better for most of the MC
>> to serve a full term so we have continuity in the MC. FWIW - I was
>> rather in favor of 1 year terms for both BoD & MC in the 1st instance
>> which would make this rather less of a problem (IMHO).
>>
> There's a technical problem here, in that board and MC run each
> other's election - so you cannot have them elected both at the same
> time I guess. Which in turn means there's always the issue of people
> wanting to stand for the other body, to not be able to serve their
> full term - regardless of term lengths.
> 

maybe it would have helped a bit, if the election period of the MC ends
in the middle of the election period of the board.

> I don't personally consider people from the MC standing for the board
> to be a large issue - if this is not becoming a habit. Since there's a
> hard problem for TDF, at the very least, should the size of the MC
> shrink below the required number of officers (which is 3, as per
> https://www.documentfoundation.org/statutes.pdf §12, 3).
> 

The number of remaining active members of the MC is one issue. The other
one is the role of the MC in connection to the board (and the other way
around). The tasks (and power) of the MC are written in § 12 I of the
statutes. The statutes foresee that the MC act as independent as
possible from the board (and the other way around too). Thus the people
acting on both bodies shouldn't have immunity of witness because of a or
economic dependence to a member of the the other body.

And a personal view at the end: I think it would be too bad to have a
longer break before one get elected for another body.

Kind regards,
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Re: [board-discuss] Plone site & grief

2018-11-16 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,


Am 10.11.18 um 11:10 schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen:

Hi all, On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 03:47:50PM +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: 

I think this might be a good occasion to ask our CoC volunteers for help (in 
Cc) - some sort of moderation is perhaps possible? 

FWIW: I, for one, would appreciate such mediation. 

FYI: I already sent an reply to Michael, that and why I not apply for an CoC 
process.

Regards,
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[board-discuss] Plone site & grief

2018-11-09 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello all,


Am 05.11.18 um 23:50 schrieb Thorsten Behrens:
> Hi Andi,
> 
> first off, I'm very sorry these things seem to have taken a turn for
> the worse.
> 

that's most often the outcome of a 'special' way of communication.

> I'm trying to move this part of the discussion now off the design
> list, and onto board-discuss, as it seems to primarily deal with
> interaction style, within & from the board. So Fup2 board-discuss
> please.
> 

As I'm not member of the board since Februar this year anymore, I'm not
aware of the communication within the board.

> Beyond some details below, where I'd love to get to is getting over
> personal gripes eventually (on all sides - happy to call you any time,
> to hear what you'd expect here!); perhaps with a way to keep you
> engaged with the community you've helped building, but at least with a
> way for the project to keep the Plone sites running properly for the
> while.
> 

I expect only the way of communication and behavior that I already
described in my previous email.

> Andreas Mantke wrote:
>> There were no real internal discussions with the board about issues.
>>
> Not to put too fine a point on it - but we discussed the issues around
> the queue of pending submissions e.g. in January & February this year,
> on the infra/hostmaster list.
> 
> Also in 2016, a discussion not too different from the one here took
> place inside the board, when looking for options to go beyond the
> first version of the template & extension site.
> 
>> But afterwards I was kicked out by this thread. I'm not used to be
>> pilloried for my work during my spare time. And maybe others too.
>>
> Please don't take this as pillorying you. If it came across like that
> - apologies. In fact, without the original Plone sites, LibreOffice
> wouldn't have had a templates & extension repo for a long time, and no
> one disputes the relevance of that.
> 

It's not important how you think I should not feel, but it's only
important how I feel because of the way of communication from member(s)
of the board.

The member communicated in public about the work I had done for about
seven years, without take in account to discuss the situation or
requests with me first (and get some additional information).
This make it explicit for me, that I shouldn't be part of the discussion
and it descredits my previous work publicly (thus pilloring).

I see this as a line of communication infringements. Because of a
mistake that I did with the administration of the Content Management
System in 2012 I was pointed regularly onto this mistake for about three
or four years. I felt impeached to communicate destructively some month
ago, although I spent a lot of my spare time over the years to attend
events on behalf of TDF/LibreOffice to spread the word about the project and 
its pros.

After some rethinking I had the impression it helped, if I narrowed my 
engagement to
the administration of the extensions and templates website. But then I
got this thread on the design list.

Thus I was disenchanted, that my work inside the project had a real
value especially for the board.

There were no real excuse for this communication style later. The
response to my email three weeks after the thread included second part
(the 'but message'), which were the real message (no real apologize,
but another threat).

Regards,
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Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] - Budget Request promoting LibreOffice/ODF at event for Dutch administrations

2018-10-09 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi,

it's not obvious, why this (discussion and?) decision had been taken in
private and not e.g. on this list.

Because of this process in private the proposal (and decission) looks a
bit disconnected. It's e.g. not explained who is 'me' in connection with
Rob.

Kind regards,
Andreas
>
> the following decision, which was taken in private on 2018-10-04, is
> now made public in accordance with our statutes.
>
> Proposal
> = = = =
>  - spent EUR 4760.- from the marketing budget on key event for (local)
> administrations in The Netherlands to promote ODF and LibreOffice.
>
> Details
> = = = =
> Where and when:
>  - Utrecht, event for (local) administrations, 2018-10-10
>    https://www.jaarbeurs.nl/agenda/2994/overheid-360-2018
>
> What:
>  - promote LibreOffice and ODF:
>  - educate the people on open document standard (again)
>  - educate organizations about their possibilities to use
>    free office-software
>
> Why there:
>  - main event for software and administrations in The Netherlands
>  - there are two clear open source items at the event
>    (presentation from an national agency; initiative for an OSS
>     solution for central software needs of local administrations)
>  - (last minute) timing is not nice, still tired and much to do
>  - but we didn't have any activity yet in The Netherlands and the
>    event is important to keep visibility in these organizations
>
> How:
>  - small table / booth
>  - banner LibreOffice / ODF
>  - sheet LibreOffice
>  - sheet ODF
>  - sheet examples administrations using it.
>  - booth staff and preparing stuff by Rob and me
>    (based on existing marketing materials)
>    (we'll ask assistance at the booth from other members too)
>
> Costs:
>  - total max 4760
>  specified:
>  - booth 4235.-
>  - banners 160.-
>  - info-sheets 315.-
>  - travel costs 50.-
>
> Budget marketing:
>  - so far spent 2.096,17 from 31.500,00
>    (TDF Budget Overview.ods FE 20180920)
>
> The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat
> holders without deputies. In order to be quorate, the vote needs to
> have 1/2 of the Board of Directors members, which gives 4.
>
> A total of 7 Board of Directors members have participated in the vote.
> The vote is quorate.
>
> From now on, motions can be passed with the agreement of a simple
> majority of those participating. The majority threshold is currently 4.
>
> Result of vote: 6 approvals, 0 disapprovals, 1 abstain.
> Decision: The proposal has been accepted.
>
> This message is to be archived by the BoD members and their deputies.
>
> Florian
>


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Re: [board-discuss] Preliminary Results for the 2018 Membership Committee election

2018-09-14 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Stephan, all,

Am 14.09.18 um 15:51 schrieb Stephan Bergmann:
> On 14/09/2018 15:31, Miklos Vajna wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:07:33PM +0200, Marina Latini
>>  wrote:
>>> The above preliminary results are in conflict with § 8 IV of our
>>> statutes (https://www.documentfoundation.org/statutes.pdf), with both
>>> Miklos and Jona having the same affiliation. The elected candidates and
>>> the board are currently discussing options to resolve this conflict,
>>> which will likely affect the final results. We will update the members
>>> and the general public on this soon.
>>
>> I talked to Jona and in case we're asked about what is our preference: I
>> propose me stepping down in favor of her (and me initially
>> mentoring/helping her in my place if wanted), i.e. I don't accept the
>> above
>> role.
>>
>> A concern is now that Stephan and me would finish work in the committee,
>> noone remains with stronger technical skills, when it comes to
>> recovering from odd situations with git, gerrit, etc. To cover that, I
>> plan to stick around (initially) so Jona (or another MC member) is
>> trained up and doing this -- again, if this kind of help is requested by
>> the new MC.
>
> Wherever the rule of "no two members of MC with same affiliation" was
> stated (can't find it either in the above-linked PDF nor in the HTML
> version at 
> now), does that extend to MC deputies, too?  If not, one solution to
> the "no technicians in the MC" issue could be that Miklos only steps
> down to deputy level.
>
the rule is, that only one third of the members of a TDF body had to
have the same affiliation (§ 8 IV S. 2 of the statutes): if there are
five members in a body, two of them would be more than one third.

The deputies of the MC are not elected members of the MC and thus the
one third rule is not valid for them (as long as they are deputies).
Once they replace a MC member (possible only after her/his retirement)
the rule applies to the then new member of the MC too.

If an elected member doesn't accept his role, she/he is completely out.
You could not step some positions back (to get deputy).

Cheers,
Andreas


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Re: [board-discuss] Re: Acceptance of MC role

2018-09-19 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

it would be great, if the German sentence oft acceptance declaration would be 
concordant with the diction in § 12 II S. 5 of the foundation statutes:
not 'stellvertretendes Mitglied' but 'Ersatzmitglied'.

Kind regards,
Andreas

Am 19. September 2018 09:56:33 MESZ schrieb Muhammet Kara 
:
>I, Muhammet Kara, elected Deputy Member of the Membership Committee of 
>The Document
>Foundation, hereby accept this role within the Stiftung bürgerlichen 
>Rechts. My term will start September 19, 2018.
>
>Signed: Muhammet Kara
>
>Ich, Muhammet Kara, gewähltes stellvertretendes Mitglied des 
>Mitglieder-Komitees der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt 
>innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt
>am 
>19. September 2018.
>
>Unterzeichnet: Muhammet Kara
>
>
>On 09/18/2018 05:35 PM, Marina Latini wrote:
>> Dear Muhammet,
>>
>> Let me first take this opportunity to personally congratulate you for
>
>> your election as member of the Membership Committee.
>> Then I kindly invite you to officially accept your position in the MC
>
>> by answering to this message with a "Reply all".
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Marina Latini
>> on behalf of The Document Foundation board of directors
>>
>> ==
>> I, Muhammet Kara, elected Deputy Member of the Membership Committee
>of 
>> The Document
>> Foundation, hereby accept this role within the Stiftung bürgerlichen 
>> Rechts. My term will start September 19, 2018.
>>
>> Signed: Muhammet Kara
>>
>> Ich, Muhammet Kara, gewähltes stellvertretendes Mitglied des 
>> Mitglieder-Komitees der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt 
>> innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt
>
>> am 19. September 2018.
>>
>> Unterzeichnet: Muhammet Kara
>> ==
>>

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Re: [board-discuss] Re: Acceptance of MC role

2018-09-19 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

Am 19. September 2018 11:49:42 MESZ schrieb Florian Effenberger 
:
>Hello Andreas,
>
>Andreas Mantke  wrote on Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:12:27 +0200:
>
>> it would be great, if the German sentence oft acceptance declaration
>would be concordant with the diction in § 12 II S. 5 of the foundation
>statutes:
>> not 'stellvertretendes Mitglied' but 'Ersatzmitglied'.
>
>likely my fault for not spotting this, thanks for pointing out. We will
>
>adjust the German translation for future elections.
>

but as a pointer the correct subsumption has impact on the workflow etc. of the 
MC.

Kind regards,
Andreas

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[board-discuss] Re: on the capital stock investment

2012-10-30 Thread Andreas Mantke - Document Foundation
Hi,

I'm currently at the DE-Pythonconference in Leipzig and I'm not able to
look into this topic the next days. I could Not attend the call tomorrow.

Cheers,
Andreas
Am 30.10.2012 10:49 schrieb Florian Effenberger 
flo...@documentfoundation.org:

 Hello,

 one advance note for tomorrow's call: Once again, the capital stock
 investment is topic of the call, and it becomes pressing.

 Since the details are in German, this is a task for the German board
 members, namely (in alphabetical order) Andreas, Björn, Florian and
 Thorsten.

 My declared goal for the call is to put someone in responsibility for
 that, sending all documents that I have, and asking to make a concrete
 proposal by the next call in two weeks, for the board to vote and sign the
 papers.

 I will not end the call and will not let any of you go until someone took
 the task. :-)

 Just so you are warned... but seriously: This becomes *really* urgent now
 and should not be delayed *any* further.

 Florian

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