Re: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-06-02 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 2.6.2022 21.50, laszlo.nem...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Also tendering and in-house development are not interchangeable. The planned in-house development with 1-2 developers is not a viable option for LibreOffice development without the development activity of a couple dozen developers o

Re: Please take personal conflict off-list (was: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF)

2022-06-02 Thread Michael Stahl
hello Paolo, On 02.06.22 19:55, Paolo Vecchi wrote: > > Also thanks to Andreas comment about the ESC minutes I had a look at > last week and today's minutes and it seems like Michael Meeks is already > implementing his proposal, transposed mostly by copy/paste by Kendy in > his own proposal

Re: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-06-02 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 02/06/2022 22:59: thanks for your extensive explanation which I really appreciate as I appreciate your contributions both during your working hours and as a volunteer. We surely are all working with passion to reach the same goal and we have specialisations t

Re: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-06-02 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Andreas, Thanks for your answer, Andreas Mantke wrote on 01/06/2022 20:13: Am 01.06.22 um 11:48 schrieb Cor Nouws: Andreas Mantke wrote on 31/05/2022 19:49: I only could see the difference that in one case TDF has full control I do not understand what you mean. What is full control

Re: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-06-02 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Laszlo, thanks for your extensive explanation which I really appreciate as I appreciate your contributions both during your working hours and as a volunteer. We surely are all working with passion to reach the same goal and we have specialisations that allow us to view things from differe

Re: Details about CoI - Re: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-06-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 02.06.22 um 16:14 schrieb Emiliano Vavassori: Hi all, I think it is just fair to add some small details about the how a CoI should be processed as food for thoughts and only for the sake of the argument. Il 02/06/22 12:32, Jan Holesovsky ha scritto: Thus I'd expect that this CoI sh

Re: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-06-02 Thread laszlo . nemeth
Hi, Sorry, I hope my late answer will be as friendly and productive as I intended it to be. On 2022-06-01 17:23, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi all, Am 01.06.22 um 11:11 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v Út 31. 05. 2022 v 19:49 +0200: I'd be curious to know what would b

Re: Please take personal conflict off-list (was: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF)

2022-06-02 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Thorsten, On 02/06/2022 19:02, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Dear list, Kendy & Andreas, let me repeat my earlier request to keep the interaction on this list friendly and productive. In particular, don't offend, and try not to be offended. This part of the thread is not making progress towards c

Please take personal conflict off-list (was: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF)

2022-06-02 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Dear list, Kendy & Andreas, let me repeat my earlier request to keep the interaction on this list friendly and productive. In particular, don't offend, and try not to be offended. This part of the thread is not making progress towards coming up with a final, merged proposal for in-house developer

Re: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-06-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi, Am 02.06.22 um 12:32 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v St 01. 06. 2022 v 17:23 +0200: Am 01.06.22 um 11:11 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: The difference is that once you hire a developer / developers, the development becomes a mandatory expense - TDF has to pay their wag

Details about CoI - Re: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-06-02 Thread Emiliano Vavassori
Hi all, I think it is just fair to add some small details about the how a CoI should be processed as food for thoughts and only for the sake of the argument. Il 02/06/22 12:32, Jan Holesovsky ha scritto: Thus I'd expect that this CoI should be solved asap and the appropriate measures taken

Re: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-06-02 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v St 01. 06. 2022 v 17:23 +0200: > Am 01.06.22 um 11:11 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: > > > > The difference is that once you hire a developer / developers, the > > development becomes a mandatory expense - TDF has to pay their wage > > every month. > > It seemed you t