Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-21 Thread Uwe Altmann
Am 13.01.22 um 20:56 schrieb Michael Meeks:  Oh - wow, I didn't know that. Wow - that is awful. That crushed my hopes for a good Firebird based future. So what other options are there for a sensibly licensed, in-process database ? Does PostgreSQL do it - could we run the server

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-14 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Thanks Ilmari ! I seem to have missed that ! Will need to try it out again, and apologies for my erroneous statement in that case. Alex Le 13/01/2022 à 21:08, Ilmari Lauhakangas a écrit : On 13.1.2022 21.56, Michael Meeks wrote: On 13/01/2022 12:35, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Endian-ness

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-14 Thread Michael Meeks
On 13/01/2022 20:08, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 13.1.2022 21.56, Michael Meeks wrote:  Oh - wow, I didn't know that. Wow - that is awful. That crushed my hopes for a good Firebird based future. Alex: seems the problem existed before Aug 2016, but not anymore. ... 'The problem was

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-13 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 13.1.2022 21.56, Michael Meeks wrote: On 13/01/2022 12:35, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Endian-ness for embedded Firebird seems to be the elephant in the room here. ODB files made on MacOS can not easily be shared with other OSes/arch. Oh - wow, I didn't know that. Wow - that is awful.

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-13 Thread Michael Meeks
On 13/01/2022 12:35, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Thanks for jumping in on this thread, and I appreciate you having taken the time to address my points. Nice to talk the issues through constructively =) Oh, yes, I still remember the pain involved in transitioning from PPC to Intel.

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-13 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Alex, On 13/01/2022 13:35, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Lest there be some misunderstanding, I also wasn't touting that Base be atticised, far from it, that would be counter-productive for me in particular, my concerns were levelled more at the perceived (by me) risk that apathy, or lack of

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-13 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Hi Michael, Thanks for jumping in on this thread, and I appreciate you having taken the time to address my points. Comments inline : Le 12/01/2022 à 21:45, Michael Meeks a écrit : Unfortunately - this tends to dis-aggregate the funding again - so we end up either with too little money

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-12 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Alexander, Let me jump in with a few thoughts here. On 12/01/2022 09:08, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > Thank you for listening to me, and apologies in advance if I may have > ruffled a few feathers. First - don't worry about that =) it's good to discuss this stuff; I wish more

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-12 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Alex, well... it's nice to see that you fully understand the dynamics involved so you saved me a lot of typing ;-) Just a few notes inline. On 12/01/2022 16:01, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Hi Paolo, Answers/comments/response inline : Le 12/01/2022 à 14:56, Paolo Vecchi a écrit :

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-12 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Hi Paolo, Answers/comments/response inline : Le 12/01/2022 à 14:56, Paolo Vecchi a écrit : *1) Support offering from commercial entities* There isn't much we can do in this area as each company chooses its own business model. Offering a SLA to fix a bug could mean spending a day in

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-12 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Alex, thank you for "ruffling some feathers", this is exactly what we need! If the community stays silent then to some it may seem that everything is OK, we need the whole community to be more vocal and to tell us what they think should be improved. Your email raises 3 main concerns:

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-12 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Hi Andras, LibreOffice from the AppStore is branded Vanilla in the AppStore, but displays as "Community" (e.g. 7.2.4.1 LibreOffice Community). It is not identical to the "Community" version available from TDF. Java functionality is but one part (an important one, but one part nonetheless)

Re: [board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-12 Thread Andras Timar
Hi, On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:09 AM Alexander Thurgood wrote: > > It seems increasingly obvious that the provider of these commercial > versions is not interested in maintaining database functionality and the > supporting Java functionality that accompanies the Base module. The > reasons for

[board-discuss] Commercial entity vs community development and distribution

2022-01-12 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Hi *, Sophie suggested that I might want to raise what I perceive as an issue here on this list, that is connected, but not identical, to the issue relating to the Attic question, and the questions around the sidelining of features/functionality in commercially developed and distributed