Re: [steering-discuss] size of to be elected MC
Hello Simon, Le 30/10/2011 10:27, Simon Phipps a écrit : On 29 Oct 2011, at 17:47, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, following today's SC/BoD phone conference, I'd hereby like to propose, based on André's suggestion, that the to be elected membership committee will consist of five regular members plus two deputies Based on the statutes, the BoD is in charge of defining the size of the MC, with the limitations of having at least three people, and not more than 10% of the total members (i.e. 13-15 people right now, IIRC). I'd ask all BoD members to vote on the above proposal. My vote: +1 Question: Are you proposing any limits on corporate affiliation here? I suggest the same rules as for the BoD apply. Good point. In theory it is already addressed by our general rules on conflict of interest but it could be restressed just to be clear. best, Charles. S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] appointing Thorsten as election officer for MC
Hello, just to have it official: I'd hereby like to nominate Thorsten Behrens as election officer for the upcoming membership committee elections. As Thorsten is elected BoD member, he is not running for an MC seat, and thus should have no conflict of interest in acting as election officer. +1 for Thorsten from my side Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, 2011/10/30 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Hello, André Schnabel wrote on 2011-10-26 21:48: as we have discussed previously, the paragraphs about the membership committee in the current statutes draft differ in some points from what we have in the bylaws. I hope, I can provide a translation of the relevant paragraphs early next week. But I want to have some discussion on the matter already in the first BoD meeting. a short summary from the last call: - For the legal set-up of the foundation, we need the elected names. This would not happen before December 6th. - In case we have authority approval for the foundation set-up before, this would delay the set-up until the 6th. (NB: When we will have authority approval is hard to predict, but more on that soon on a blogpost.) - For the inital set-up of the foundation, the founder (German association of FrODeV) is free to name anyone for the MC. They will of course stick to the voting decision. As soon as the foundation is in place, however, we have to stick to the election rules set forth in our statues, and they foresee a 45 day advance notification period of the elections. - In a nutshell, this means: We either can decide to nominate the current MC as the first MC and have a gentlemen's agreement that they step back as soon as the foundation is in place, leading to new elections about 45 days later on. IMHO, I don't see why can we not adopt this option. The current MC proved that was (and is) impartial and deeply focused on meritocracy, essential factors for an MC. For me, the current MC proved that's fully deserving of this gentlemen's agreement. I vote for this option. Best, David - Or we indeed wait until the current election is done and nominate those voted on for the first MC. Although it might mean a delay, I tend to go for the latter option. This is much cleaner, and as we don't know if we will have authority confirmation before the 6th, we're basically talking about a delay of 2-4 weeks, so be it. Thoughts? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org** Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+help@** documentfoundation.org steering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/** steering-discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, David Emmerich Jourdain wrote on 2011-10-30 16:28: IMHO, I don't see why can we not adopt this option. The current MC proved that was (and is) impartial and deeply focused on meritocracy, essential factors for an MC. For me, the current MC proved that's fully deserving of this gentlemen's agreement. I have full trust in the current MC, no doubts about that. The issue that makes me favor the other option (wait until the new MC is in place) is that it would avoid having elections very soon after the legal set-up, which is rather time consuming. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] appointing Thorsten as election officer for MC
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 30 Oct 2011, at 15:34, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-10-30 16:34: +1 from my side... do we only need one? IMHO one is enough, as we had it for the BoD elections. Note that, for the BoD elections, Thorsten operated the election software under my supervision and with the MC observing (I actually asked multiple members of the MC to validate the results). I recommend that the BoD continue this approach, with all Election actions conducted in sight of the full BoD. I agree: the BoD election should be supervised by the MC and vice-versa. The 'Election Officer' is just the point man, the 'executive officer'. He can be any member designated by the body having oversight of the election. Norbert PS: although I have no direct standing, +1 for Thorsten as Election officer for this MC election. PPS: To complement my previous message regarding a delay between MC and BoD election: Let's say the foundation is effective January 1st 2012. the new Bod would be in place until January 1st 2013 right ? We can designate the current MC as the 'initial MC' until June 1st, and have the soon to be elected MC enter in function June 1st 2012 to June 1st 2013 If the view is that the current BoD mandate expire End of October 2012, then the same reasoning apply except that the new MC become 'active' April 1st. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] appointing Thorsten as election officer for MC
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, just to have it official: I'd hereby like to nominate Thorsten Behrens as election officer for the upcoming membership committee elections. As Thorsten is elected BoD member, he is not running for an MC seat, and thus should have no conflict of interest in acting as election officer. +1 for Thorsten from my side +1 from my side. -- Jesús Corrius je...@softcatala.org Document Foundation founding member Mobile: +34 661 11 38 26 Skype: jcorrius | Twitter: @jcorrius -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, Am 30.10.2011 17:09, schrieb Norbert Thiebaud: Maybe we can do with the current MC as 'initially designated' for the first 6 month of the foundation and organize a MC election then, since it would be a good idea to have BoD election and MC election somewhat separated to avoid 'oversight'/'membership' issues. Seems reasonable to me - as long as there is a substitude for Thorsten and all of the other MC members agree to be on duty for another 6 months. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] size of to be elected MC
Based on the statutes, the BoD is in charge of defining the size of the MC, with the limitations of having at least three people, and not more than 10% of the total members (i.e. 13-15 people right now, IIRC). I'd ask all BoD members to vote on the above proposal. My vote: +1 +1 -- Jesús Corrius je...@softcatala.org Deputy of the Board of Directors of the Document Foundation Mobile: +34 661 11 38 26 Skype: jcorrius | Twitter: @jcorrius -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, 2011/10/30 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: Hi, Am 30.10.2011 17:09, schrieb Norbert Thiebaud: Maybe we can do with the current MC as 'initially designated' for the first 6 month of the foundation and organize a MC election then, since it would be a good idea to have BoD election and MC election somewhat separated to avoid 'oversight'/'membership' issues. Seems reasonable to me - as long as there is a substitude for Thorsten and all of the other MC members agree to be on duty for another 6 months. Agreed on both. Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] appointing Thorsten as election officer for MC
Hello, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-10-30 17:20: I agree: the BoD election should be supervised by the MC and vice-versa. The 'Election Officer' is just the point man, the 'executive officer'. He can be any member designated by the body having oversight of the election. indeed. The BoD should be involved in verifying those results, I agree. The BoD can coordinate with Thorsten as election officer on that topic then. PPS: To complement my previous message regarding a delay between MC and BoD election: Let's say the foundation is effective January 1st 2012. the new Bod would be in place until January 1st 2013 right ? Exactly. The term should run as soon as the foundation is legally established, as previously agreed in an SC call. The same is true for the MC, IMHO. We can designate the current MC as the 'initial MC' until June 1st, and have the soon to be elected MC enter in function June 1st 2012 to June 1st 2013 That might indeed make sense, to not overlap both elections. In that case, we can nominate the current MC (in case they don't object) in the filing application, and by the middle of next year, they step back and we have a formal vote. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] chairmen
Hello, sorry for spamming you so massively today, but I want to use the free day to get some formal things done for TDF. The current statutes (which you will soon have in a translated English version) foresee, as it is a legal requirement in Germany, that there will be two chairmen: One chairman and one deputy. I know we had a discussion on this topic quite some months ago, and before you are surprised that it comes up again, be advised that contrary to the original plannings, the role does not have additional rights. The draft mainly foresees that for legally representing the foundation towards third parties, the chairman and some other BoD member has to sign the contract, and in case the chairman cannot, the deputy does. So, for any contract, it cannot be signed without the chairman, like it is common practice in many associations as well (FrODeV has a similar rule), except in cases there are individual warrants, which is possible with our statutes. Naturally, the chairmen will also be the first point of contact for authorities and other boring legal stuff. ;-) (Read: In case the tax authorities need information, they will first ping you. In case the foundation authorities have issues or questions, you will be the first who gets pinged. Etc.) Basically, that's it, there are no further rights or duties, no more merits and no stronger voice, but you will see that when we will have the translation ready. The statues do not set explicit rules on whom to appoint, they just foresee that the BoD appoints two of its members to these roles. NB: Deputies can, to my understanding, *not* be appointed chairmen. Some proposed (and IMHO, we had this at least in one early bylaws draft) that those who had been elected with the most votes should be appointed automatically. However, not automatically those who have most votes want to run for that role, so I propose that everyone of the newly elected BoD thinks whether he wants to get appointed, and we discuss it. Only if several people run and cannot agree on two candidates, we might switch back to the most votes model. Best is to wait until the translation is ready so we have the same understanding of the topic, since the term chairman might raise some confusion, but I wanted to make you aware of it already. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
side-note Re: [steering-discuss] chairmen
Hi :) Florian. It is good to have these issues dealt with. There is no need to apologise for 'spam' as it is all relevant and important stuff. If these issue weren't raised today they would have to be raised another day and they are the type of thing that is good to deal with and get out of the way quickly. I think the Steering Committee and the MC have been fantastic and done a remarkable job. Avoiding a complete re-shuffle all at the same time makes sense so that there is some continuity. The current BoD seems a good selection and that promises well for the future of TDF and LO. It would be good to add some diversity added to the management structure of TDF without losing anyone. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 30/10/11, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [steering-discuss] chairmen To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Sunday, 30 October, 2011, 18:44 Hello, sorry for spamming you so massively today, but I want to use the free day to get some formal things done for TDF. The current statutes (which you will soon have in a translated English version) foresee, as it is a legal requirement in Germany, that there will be two chairmen: One chairman and one deputy. I know we had a discussion on this topic quite some months ago, and before you are surprised that it comes up again, be advised that contrary to the original plannings, the role does not have additional rights. The draft mainly foresees that for legally representing the foundation towards third parties, the chairman and some other BoD member has to sign the contract, and in case the chairman cannot, the deputy does. So, for any contract, it cannot be signed without the chairman, like it is common practice in many associations as well (FrODeV has a similar rule), except in cases there are individual warrants, which is possible with our statutes. Naturally, the chairmen will also be the first point of contact for authorities and other boring legal stuff. ;-) (Read: In case the tax authorities need information, they will first ping you. In case the foundation authorities have issues or questions, you will be the first who gets pinged. Etc.) Basically, that's it, there are no further rights or duties, no more merits and no stronger voice, but you will see that when we will have the translation ready. The statues do not set explicit rules on whom to appoint, they just foresee that the BoD appoints two of its members to these roles. NB: Deputies can, to my understanding, *not* be appointed chairmen. Some proposed (and IMHO, we had this at least in one early bylaws draft) that those who had been elected with the most votes should be appointed automatically. However, not automatically those who have most votes want to run for that role, so I propose that everyone of the newly elected BoD thinks whether he wants to get appointed, and we discuss it. Only if several people run and cannot agree on two candidates, we might switch back to the most votes model. Best is to wait until the translation is ready so we have the same understanding of the topic, since the term chairman might raise some confusion, but I wanted to make you aware of it already. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] chairmen
Hi Florian, *, Am Sonntag, 30. Oktober 2011, 19:44:02 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, sorry for spamming you so massively today, but I want to use the free day to get some formal things done for TDF. I assist you in spamming a bit ;-) (...) The statues do not set explicit rules on whom to appoint, they just foresee that the BoD appoints two of its members to these roles. NB: Deputies can, to my understanding, *not* be appointed chairmen. that's correct. The deputies cannot serve as chairman. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
