Thorsten Behrens kirjoitti 9.7.2020 klo 11.44:
Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
DemocracyOS vs. anything we currently have is an apples to oranges
comparison meaning we *can't* shut anything down.
But how would DemocracyOS then help to solve the too-many-channels problem?
In my view it would not
Dear community,
thanks for the feedback on the marketing plan draft via different channels so
far. We want to let you know and have you take part, as the board is
discussing the options now available with that draft.
In the meantime, some more feedback will be integrated in the document already
Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
> DemocracyOS vs. anything we currently have is an apples to oranges
> comparison meaning we *can't* shut anything down.
>
But how would DemocracyOS then help to solve the too-many-channels problem?
Cheers,
-- Thorsten
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Hi,
as also the news feeds add the topic I would suggest to bring as fast as
possible the new marketing strategy. No comment for 6 months will be a nogo.
In addition there are 8 days to find a solution which means enough time. I
also would prefer to have some draft's before the decision about a
Thorsten Behrens kirjoitti 9.7.2020 klo 2.51:
Hi Daniel,
[sry for the repetition, missed this public mail initially]
Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote:
In my opinion, and based on recent experience, I consider it necessary for
TDF to be open to community participation in a more modern and
Hi Paolo, dear BoD,
thank you for your email. I think your reply shows that the discussion on the marketing plan is very important, but that the current solution is premature, debatable and likely counter-productive. Given the need for this substantial discussion (see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5],
Hi Andreas,
kainz.a wrote:
> I think the biggest change has to be done on the LibreOffice.org website
> which will cost some time. The change in LibreOffice will be minor. There
> has to be only an decision about a flavour tag (or not).
>
Yep, plus the exact wording for the about box (c.f. BZ
Hi all
Am 18.06.20 um 11:25 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
> The draft presentation is available online on TDF Nextcloud:
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/jzryGw7XDkJadmo
>
> Please focus on the overall strategy and not on specific details, as
> details can be tweaked to reach a wider
Hi Jan-Marek,
Thanks for your mail; there are lots of interesting points here, some
of them shared by others too. Here is my take:
On 06/07/2020 21:52, Jan-Marek Glogowski wrote:
> The people involved in the decision set this time frame themselves.
> Nothing is forcing this change to be
Hi Peter,
On 07/07/2020 00:46, Peter Dolding wrote:
> Well will all new enterprise need features now appear in the
> "LibreOffice Enterprise" first and then "LibreOffice Enterprise" users
> have to beta test them before they come to Personal Edition?
I think there were some slides which
El 2020-07-09 06:05, Ilmari Lauhakangas escribió:
Thorsten Behrens kirjoitti 9.7.2020 klo 11.44:
Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
DemocracyOS vs. anything we currently have is an apples to oranges
comparison meaning we *can't* shut anything down.
But how would DemocracyOS then help to solve the
Dear board, dear community,
Abstract:
I request the board to:
- provide software in accordance with the statues.
- remove parts of the software that are of no use for the intended
audience, hereby meaning the support key "feature" of LOOL.
- undo the "Personal" edition branding.
I am very
Just a quick note.
On 7/9/20 5:11 PM, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
>> Slide 15 and 16
>> These two are a slap into the face of many of the community members. It is
>> made clear that only contributions to the source code are counted - but
>> outlined as "Community the last two years - community by
Hi,
Am 09.07.20 um 17:55 schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen:
> Hi Alex,
>
> I wanted to limit myself to those four tweets on this discussion, but this
> one really rattles my bones, so here we go:
>
> On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 04:30:51PM +0200, Alexander Werner wrote:
>> I want to remind all of you what The
Thanks Aravind for summarising all we have been saying in the past few
days :-)
All you stated was written or implicit in our communication:
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/07/06/board-statement-on-the-libreoffice-7-0rc-personal-edition-label/
Linking here some of my answers which
Hi Aravind,
please read the answers you received before firing off new ones:
https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg04604.html
https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg04636.html
Thanks Italo.
I still need to learn a lot of stuff ;-)
Paolo
On 09/07/2020 17:18, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> Just a quick note.
>
> On 7/9/20 5:11 PM, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
>
>>> Slide 15 and 16
>>> These two are a slap into the face of many of the community members. It is
>>> made clear that only
All community members should look regularly at the dashboard, is a very
useful tool which provides a good overview of activities.
On 7/9/20 5:21 PM, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
> Thanks Italo.
>
> I still need to learn a lot of stuff ;-)
>
> Paolo
>
> On 09/07/2020 17:18, Italo Vignoli wrote:
>> Just
On 09/07/2020 16:23, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> All community members should look regularly at the dashboard, is a very
> useful tool which provides a good overview of activities.
Indeed; you can see it here:
https://dashboard.documentfoundation.org/
Though I believe it is
Hi Alex,
Alexander Werner wrote on 09/07/2020 16:30:
> I want to remind all of you what The Document Foundation is all about,
> as stated in the *unalterable* statutes
> (https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/statutes/):
>
> "The objective of the foundation is the promotion and
Hi Michael,
Am 09.07.20 um 18:34 schrieb Michael Stahl:
> On 09.07.20 18:19, Andreas Mantke wrote:
>> and there are three reasons, why TDF is "Gemeinnützig":
>>
>> * der Volks- und Berufsbildung,
>> * der Wissenschaft und Forschung, insbesondere auf dem Gebiet der
>> Informatik,
>>
Hi Alex,
On 06/07/2020 10:27, Alexander Werner wrote in bugzilla at
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134486#c23
> Cleary, The Document Foundation must release a version that is open
> to all intended audiences. As clearly stated in the statues, the
> intended audience is:
Hi Alex,
thanks for your contribution and see inline my comments.
On 09/07/2020 16:30, Alexander Werner wrote:
> Dear board, dear community,
>
> Abstract:
> I request the board to:
> - provide software in accordance with the statues.
Absolutely, there is no intention of changing that.
> - remove
On 7/9/20 6:35 PM, Aravind Palla wrote:
> - that there will be no change of license;
Based on what you assume there can be a change of license, the marketing
plan says exactly the opposite, i.e. we do stay loyal to the copyleft
license, which is one of the pillars of the project.
> - that there
Hi Uwe,
I'm not a marketing strategist and the plan is a draft of an idea that
you and many others are shaping to get the best results for all.
Having said that I'll try to engage and see if we can get some clearer
ideas about it.
On 09/07/2020 14:31, Uwe Altmann wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Am 18.06.20
Hi Alex,
I wanted to limit myself to those four tweets on this discussion, but this
one really rattles my bones, so here we go:
On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 04:30:51PM +0200, Alexander Werner wrote:
> I want to remind all of you what The Document Foundation is all about,
> as stated in the
On 09.07.20 18:19, Andreas Mantke wrote:
and there are three reasons, why TDF is "Gemeinnützig":
* der Volks- und Berufsbildung,
* der Wissenschaft und Forschung, insbesondere auf dem Gebiet der
Informatik,
* des bürgerschaftlichen Engagements zugunsten gemeinnütziger Zwecke.
Hi Aravind,
I've answered Alex's email.
Se if you are satisfied with my comments.
I've also answered the questions related to the slides in a reply sent
to Uwe today.
Executive summary:
There will be no restrictions to anybody, no change of licensing, no new
LibreOffice flavours and the only
Hi,
I'm fine with LibreOffice community edition but if someone want an
additional string
LibreOffice
Fun Project, Fantastic People
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=162848
It's from our libreoffice.org webpage. It doesn't mean Community or Private
use or anything
Hi Kev,
thanks for your feedback and see inline my comments.
On 09/07/2020 19:41, Kev M wrote:
> It would be better to call it "LibreOffice Unsupported" and
> "LibreOffice Paid Support" instead of using the terms "LibreOffice
> Enterprise" and "LibreOffice Personal".
Note that we are talking
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, 18:47 Kev M, wrote:
>
> To point to links and mailing lists that anyone under the age of 40
> probably does not use regularly
>
This kind of discriminatory language is not called for, does not help and I
am asking for it not to be repeated please.
Thanks,
Simon
>
I second the opinion of Alex (a...@documentfoundation.org).
The moment any kind of restriction is imposed or proposed to be imposed on the
user (be it individual, be it an NGO, be it a community, be it an enterprise)
is no more a Freedom Software. As such the proposed LibreOffice Community
I am sorry Simon, and sorry to whoever else was offended by my ageist/crude
language.
What I was trying to communicate is that Gen Z developers have low interest in
looking at Gerrit, Bugzilla, Mailing Lists, or AskBot if there are projects
that are using modern, visually pleasing and easier
It would be better to call it "LibreOffice Unsupported" and "LibreOffice Paid
Support" instead of using the terms "LibreOffice Enterprise" and "LibreOffice
Personal".
You're arguing that using the term "community" creates confusion because of
other open source projects providing the same
Hi all
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 01:51 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
[...]
> One comment:
>
> - I'd strongly suggest that any new tool we introduce comes with a
> commitment to shutdown / discourage at least one (but better more!)
> existing tool. We'll otherwise quickly get to
Hi Paolo,
I think as stated earlier, as part of the consultation regarding the marketing
plan there should be a discussion around tag names. Collectively calling the
ecosystem "Enterprise" has connotations of different editions, even if it's
stated that there will be no difference in versions.
Hi Paolo,
I acknowledge the answers. Thanks.
Regards,
Aravind Palla
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On Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:36 PM, Paolo Vecchi
wrote:
> Hi Aravind,
>
> please read the answers you received before firing off new ones:
>
>
Am 09.07.20 um 17:18 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
> The two slides are extracted from the dashboard, and they are about all
> contributions to the project which are parsed by the different tools,
Slide 16 starts with statements about code contributions and therefor is at
least misleading so far. This
There is no need to downplay the LibreOffice (Community Edition) in order to
lure the proposed enterprise edition. The sudden and unexpected additions in
the development branch to the extent that 'you are using a Personal Edition
which is intended for individual use' has, undoubtedly created
I think a clear-cut statement from the Board can answer a lot of questions and
reduce a lot of negativity.
The Board should clarify:
- that there will be no change of license;
- that there will be no 'exclusive' features for the proposed enterprise
edition other than dedicated support like
Thanks for clarifying.
Speculations arise when there is uncertainty. The proposal for two different
editions is an unexpected and unprecedented move.
The word 'personal' is not same in "personal computer" and "personal edition".
Personal computer can be used in offices, but is "forbidden",
Membership Committee meeting minutes for 2020-Q3 filing
1. Call to order & Roll Call
The meeting took place on 2020-06-30.
Present: Gabriele Ponzo, Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco, Jona Azizaj, Ilmari
Lauhakangas, Ahmad Haris, Muhammet Kara
2. New Members
The Membership Committee has received
On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 02:28:51PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> Because it is free software lots of things are possible is
> true - that because they are possible they are therefore good, is
> not necessarily so.
> Many things are legal, but many fewer are moral.
> Steering
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