Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?

2011-09-13 Thread Ian Lynch
I think part of the problem is the rise of client server databases with the internet. It's a bit of an irony because to start with OOo used the principle of connecting to a database rather than including the old Addabas that was with StarOffice. Snag now is that even if the use of Base is minority

Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?

2011-09-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 13/09/2011 08:43, Ian Lynch wrote: I think part of the problem is the rise of client server databases with the internet. It's a bit of an irony because to start with OOo used the principle of connecting to a database rather than including the old Addabas that was with StarOffice. Snag now is

[steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@ (was: Re: Base - a new mailing list?)

2011-09-13 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Tom, Ian, please move the discussion over to the discuss@ list. If there's any code questions (and there were people interested in the long-dormant postgres-connector), that should go to libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org. Thanks, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to

Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?

2011-09-13 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Tom Davies wrote: Done that.  Been there.  It didn't work.  Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Hi Tom, why do you think it's dying? And removing it from LO is not an option for me. People using it need to step up, and start getting involved - and I'm sure they will.

Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?

2011-09-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Base does support a lot of different back-ends but it needs to have a default one.  The current default seems to be quite troublesome so people are often told to use something else such PostGreSql or MariaDb / MySql.  MariaDb is the same as MySql except that it is developing fast and has

Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?

2011-09-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) As i keep pointing out TDF started up almost exactly 1 year ago.  All the other apps have a number of people that work on them or happily move between the different apps but none touch base. Quirks and regressions are quite common in Base between one release of LO and another.  The

Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?

2011-09-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Hmmm, if you depend on Base then i think it's about time you start looking into switching to Kexi.  It supports a variety of back-ends, just as Base does, but it does have a large number of devs actively working on it.  I think we have to start recommending Kexi to anyone that has any

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Tom, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-09-13 10:48: I am sorry but there is NO suitable list to discuss Base. Almost no-one that has expressed any interest in working on Base is on the list you discuss and they are not willing to join a high-traffic list that knows nothing about using Base.

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread David Nelson
Hi Florian, this is the *wrong* list to discuss about base. *Please* move the discussion over to discuss@, as Thorsten asked. Well, maybe it's not really so off-topic, IMHO. I think it's an issue that Tom - and maybe even others - really want to put before the SC. Every time I read about Base

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima
2011/9/13 Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Hi David, you wrote: While I'm sure that people understand that the SC can't create resources (manpower or financial) out of nothing, there is nonetheless a not-inconsiderable number of people that would like to see the SC regard

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Ian Lynch
The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals are there to discuss within the SC? The general notion you're saying, IMHO, comes from people who are not directly involved in Base's issue itself. How many of

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Ian, Tom, Paulo, 2011/9/13 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals are there to discuss within the SC? The general notion you're saying, IMHO, comes from people

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Ian Lynch
On 13 September 2011 13:32, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Ian, Tom, Paulo, 2011/9/13 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Ian, 2011/9/13 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com On 13 September 2011 13:32, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Ian, Tom, Paulo, 2011/9/13 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, may I jump in here? I think the topic is cooking a bit too hot. This list is *SOLELY* for discussions and votes of the steering committee, and for requests to the steering committee. The traffic here is groing and groing, and puts the initial purpose - track records of decisions -

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@ (was: Re: Base - a new mailing list?)

2011-09-13 Thread David Nelson
Hi Thorsten, On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Tom, Ian, please move the discussion over to the discuss@ list. If there's any code questions (and there were people interested in the long-dormant postgres-connector), that should go to

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi David, David Nelson wrote on 2011-09-13 11:59: I know there are no easy, immediate solutions, but there are people who would like to see the SC regard this Base issue as being something important to deal with. that's fine, of course. My point is not that the SC does not want to get

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread David Nelson
Hi Florian, I perfectly understand your point. It is not helpful when you declare a thread to be a vote among SC members and then people jump in with friendly and encouraging comments, because then the SC can't vote properly and unambiguously. Maybe label vote threads as SC VOTE:? Then people

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, David Nelson wrote on 2011-09-13 16:22: Maybe label vote threads as SC VOTE:? the thing is: This whole list should be only - SC vote - SC discuss - request to SC any *nothing* else. Any other discussion should be on the appropriate lists, i.e. discuss@. That's

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi David, * Von: David Nelson li...@traduction.biz I perfectly understand your point. It is not helpful when you declare a thread to be a vote among SC members and then people jump in with friendly and encouraging comments, because then the SC can't vote properly and unambiguously.

Re: [steering-discuss] SPI donation page

2011-09-13 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Sophie, Sophie Gautier wrote on 2011-09-11 12:57: - provide a donation description, something like: Donation to support the LibreOffice projet. The LibreOffice office suite is base on the ODF file format standard, includes features such as a text processor, a spreadsheet and presentation and

Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?

2011-09-13 Thread David Nelson
Hi, On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Why not find a way to integrate connectivity to all the major databases such as mysql and MsSQL servers? Yes, that would be great indeed. I can hear Michael Meeks thinking, Well start developing the code

Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?

2011-09-13 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:05 AM, David Nelson li...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Why not find a way to integrate connectivity to all the major databases such as mysql and MsSQL servers? Yes, that would be great

Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?

2011-09-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Norbert Thiebaud wrote (13-09-11 22:49) yes but not _here_ Indeed - see the marketing list ;-) -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems?