Re: [board-discuss] General questions
On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 20:46 -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:07 PM, drew wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A few questions: > > > > The Advisory Board > > > > 1 - Where would I find a rooster of what corporations constitute the > > board and who their representatives on the board are? > > I think the list has been advertised... So did I, but darned if I can find where. > but I not sure the actual > names of the people delegated to represent such companies are > relevant. > An AB seat is bound to the sponsoring entity, and they get to > designate whom-ever they want at any time to represent them. > AB is the only entity where people are not there as individual but as > representative of some other entity. > So I agree that the list of entity should be public, but the > individual's name of the representative... not so sure it is required. Right enough - just wanted to understand who represents TDF in those meetings? [this point I may have just overlooked in my reading] Then, how does what comes from those meetings work it's way to the general membership? > > > > > 2 - Minutes from AB meetings, where would I find those? > > I don't think that such minutes are published, nor should they. Actually public minutes are specifically mentioned on the wiki pages discussing setting up the AB - though I, like you , expect to see them heavily redacted and that is also covered on the wiki pages. > If you want honest and frank advices/opinions from big corporation, > you can't have these advice being published publicly. > > Similarly in order to get advice from these actors, I expect our > representatives to present to them ideas, line of inquiry, nascent > projects that are being considered... most of them in a state of > development that would render them premature for public disclosure at > that time... > So once you remove all that meat from the minutes, you would be left > with nothing substantive... I don't see the point. I feel strongly however, that who and when are important to have out there. > > > > > Current Budget (expenses paid primarily) > > > > 1 - Where, or when will financial statements become public, either for > > general availability (my preference but I know that cuts across the > > grain form many), or restricted to TDF membership? > > Since we are collection money from the public, under charitable > status, I think we should publish publicly at least a top-level > 'Income Statement' and Balance Sheet. > > Members on the other hand should have the ability to audit the full > detailed accounting ledger, provided some confidentiality requirement > (every member is entitled to see the books, but not to publish or > disclose to non-member information contained herein that has not > otherwise been made public. the idea is to empower the membership to > trust-but-verify, not to allow competing entity to gain inside > knowledge) Yes - I'd be in favor of public top level figures but for details, absolutely there should be a condition of confidentiality. > > Otoh the stifung was just created... up to now the accounting were > somehow mixed with frodev... so I would no expect to have anything > published for a while. Realistically public disclosure of some > accounting would prolly be an end-of-fiscal-year event... since the > work needed is already done for tax purpose it would not be an extra > burden on our volunteers. I'd fall of my chair if someone said, 'it's all put together already' - though end-of-year figures with nothing but sub totals is no real disclosure, IMO. > > Norbert //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] General questions
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:07 PM, drew wrote: > Hi, > > A few questions: > > The Advisory Board > > 1 - Where would I find a rooster of what corporations constitute the > board and who their representatives on the board are? I think the list has been advertised... but I not sure the actual names of the people delegated to represent such companies are relevant. An AB seat is bound to the sponsoring entity, and they get to designate whom-ever they want at any time to represent them. AB is the only entity where people are not there as individual but as representative of some other entity. So I agree that the list of entity should be public, but the individual's name of the representative... not so sure it is required. > > 2 - Minutes from AB meetings, where would I find those? I don't think that such minutes are published, nor should they. If you want honest and frank advices/opinions from big corporation, you can't have these advice being published publicly. Similarly in order to get advice from these actors, I expect our representatives to present to them ideas, line of inquiry, nascent projects that are being considered... most of them in a state of development that would render them premature for public disclosure at that time... So once you remove all that meat from the minutes, you would be left with nothing substantive... I don't see the point. > > Current Budget (expenses paid primarily) > > 1 - Where, or when will financial statements become public, either for > general availability (my preference but I know that cuts across the > grain form many), or restricted to TDF membership? Since we are collection money from the public, under charitable status, I think we should publish publicly at least a top-level 'Income Statement' and Balance Sheet. Members on the other hand should have the ability to audit the full detailed accounting ledger, provided some confidentiality requirement (every member is entitled to see the books, but not to publish or disclose to non-member information contained herein that has not otherwise been made public. the idea is to empower the membership to trust-but-verify, not to allow competing entity to gain inside knowledge) Otoh the stifung was just created... up to now the accounting were somehow mixed with frodev... so I would no expect to have anything published for a while. Realistically public disclosure of some accounting would prolly be an end-of-fiscal-year event... since the work needed is already done for tax purpose it would not be an extra burden on our volunteers. Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] General questions
Hi, A few questions: The Advisory Board 1 - Where would I find a rooster of what corporations constitute the board and who their representatives on the board are? 2 - Minutes from AB meetings, where would I find those? Current Budget (expenses paid primarily) 1 - Where, or when will financial statements become public, either for general availability (my preference but I know that cuts across the grain form many), or restricted to TDF membership? Apologies if this is just my lack of searching skills. Thanks, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Market Share
On 23 February 2012 10:35, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Jaime, > > On Wed, 2012-02-22 at 20:13 +0100, Jaime R. Garza wrote: > > does anyone have a reliable source for the actual Office Suite Maket > Share? > > Not really a question for the board list :-) > > > Basically I need to know how is LibreOffice/OpenOffice, GoogleDocs and > > MSOffice. > > Back in 2010 this study was done: > > > http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html > >Presumably the market has changed a fair bit since then, and I'd > expect > the results to work only for Windows. > >Of course, you need to read the stats at the bottom, caveats about > expired MS Office test versions etc. > >Last I saw numbers for Google Docs it was in the 40m user range, by > contrast in 2000 Wordperfect's user-base was estimated at 35m users or > so. > What is generally more interesting is trends. I should think Google Docs and OOo/LO usage is increasing. But question is at what rate? >HTH, > >Michael. > > -- > michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Market Share
Hi Jaime, On Wed, 2012-02-22 at 20:13 +0100, Jaime R. Garza wrote: > does anyone have a reliable source for the actual Office Suite Maket Share? Not really a question for the board list :-) > Basically I need to know how is LibreOffice/OpenOffice, GoogleDocs and > MSOffice. Back in 2010 this study was done: http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html Presumably the market has changed a fair bit since then, and I'd expect the results to work only for Windows. Of course, you need to read the stats at the bottom, caveats about expired MS Office test versions etc. Last I saw numbers for Google Docs it was in the 40m user range, by contrast in 2000 Wordperfect's user-base was estimated at 35m users or so. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Market Share
On 2/22/12 8:42 PM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: > Does anyone have a reliable source for the actual Office Suite Maket Share? > Basically I need to know how is LibreOffice/OpenOffice, GoogleDocs and > MSOffice. Unfortunately not. Last data I have seen from IDC was in 2009, but it looks like the data have disappeared since then. Maybe, someone is not willing to share them with the world. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
