On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 02:28:51PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> Because it is free software lots of things are possible is
> true - that because they are possible they are therefore good, is
> not necessarily so.
> Many things are legal, but many fewer are moral.
> Steering pe
Membership Committee meeting minutes for 2020-Q3 filing
1. Call to order & Roll Call
The meeting took place on 2020-06-30.
Present: Gabriele Ponzo, Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco, Jona Azizaj, Ilmari
Lauhakangas, Ahmad Haris, Muhammet Kara
2. New Members
The Membership Committee has received Member
Hi Paolo,
I acknowledge the answers. Thanks.
Regards,
Aravind Palla
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On Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:36 PM, Paolo Vecchi
wrote:
> Hi Aravind,
>
> please read the answers you received before firing off new ones:
>
> https://list
Thanks for clarifying.
Speculations arise when there is uncertainty. The proposal for two different
editions is an unexpected and unprecedented move.
The word 'personal' is not same in "personal computer" and "personal edition".
Personal computer can be used in offices, but is "forbidden", wher
Am 09.07.20 um 17:18 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
> The two slides are extracted from the dashboard, and they are about all
> contributions to the project which are parsed by the different tools,
Slide 16 starts with statements about code contributions and therefor is at
least misleading so far. This s
There is no need to downplay the LibreOffice (Community Edition) in order to
lure the proposed enterprise edition. The sudden and unexpected additions in
the development branch to the extent that 'you are using a Personal Edition
which is intended for individual use' has, undoubtedly created com
I think a clear-cut statement from the Board can answer a lot of questions and
reduce a lot of negativity.
The Board should clarify:
- that there will be no change of license;
- that there will be no 'exclusive' features for the proposed enterprise
edition other than dedicated support like prior
Hi Paolo,
I think as stated earlier, as part of the consultation regarding the marketing
plan there should be a discussion around tag names. Collectively calling the
ecosystem "Enterprise" has connotations of different editions, even if it's
stated that there will be no difference in versions.
I am sorry Simon, and sorry to whoever else was offended by my ageist/crude
language.
What I was trying to communicate is that Gen Z developers have low interest in
looking at Gerrit, Bugzilla, Mailing Lists, or AskBot if there are projects
that are using modern, visually pleasing and easier to
I second the opinion of Alex (a...@documentfoundation.org).
The moment any kind of restriction is imposed or proposed to be imposed on the
user (be it individual, be it an NGO, be it a community, be it an enterprise)
is no more a Freedom Software. As such the proposed LibreOffice Community
Edit
Hi Kev,
thanks for your feedback and see inline my comments.
On 09/07/2020 19:41, Kev M wrote:
> It would be better to call it "LibreOffice Unsupported" and
> "LibreOffice Paid Support" instead of using the terms "LibreOffice
> Enterprise" and "LibreOffice Personal".
Note that we are talking abou
Hi all
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 01:51 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
[...]
> One comment:
>
> - I'd strongly suggest that any new tool we introduce comes with a
> commitment to shutdown / discourage at least one (but better more!)
> existing tool. We'll otherwise quickly get to https://xkcd.com/
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, 18:47 Kev M, wrote:
>
> To point to links and mailing lists that anyone under the age of 40
> probably does not use regularly
>
This kind of discriminatory language is not called for, does not help and I
am asking for it not to be repeated please.
Thanks,
Simon
>
It would be better to call it "LibreOffice Unsupported" and "LibreOffice Paid
Support" instead of using the terms "LibreOffice Enterprise" and "LibreOffice
Personal".
You're arguing that using the term "community" creates confusion because of
other open source projects providing the same taggin
On 09/07/2020 17:00, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
> That was a temporary placeholder used while the developers implemented a
> potential tag line features that may or may not be used depending on the
If nothing else, it served a good purpose to actually get the
discussion started after we'd had s
Hi Aravind,
please read the answers you received before firing off new ones:
https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg04604.html
https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg04636.html
https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg046
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 5:47 PM Andreas Mantke wrote:
>
> please read through the whole discussion and you may get an impression
> that there are some intent to use TDF for such a promotion.
>
However, those with that impression are entirely mistaken and it is wrong
to imply anyone is attempting
On 7/9/20 6:35 PM, Aravind Palla wrote:
> - that there will be no change of license;
Based on what you assume there can be a change of license, the marketing
plan says exactly the opposite, i.e. we do stay loyal to the copyleft
license, which is one of the pillars of the project.
> - that there
Thanks Aravind for summarising all we have been saying in the past few
days :-)
All you stated was written or implicit in our communication:
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/07/06/board-statement-on-the-libreoffice-7-0rc-personal-edition-label/
Linking here some of my answers which
Hi Michael,
Am 09.07.20 um 18:34 schrieb Michael Stahl:
> On 09.07.20 18:19, Andreas Mantke wrote:
>> and there are three reasons, why TDF is "Gemeinnützig":
>>
>> * der Volks- und Berufsbildung,
>> * der Wissenschaft und Forschung, insbesondere auf dem Gebiet der
>> Informatik,
>> *
Hi Aravind,
I've answered Alex's email.
Se if you are satisfied with my comments.
I've also answered the questions related to the slides in a reply sent
to Uwe today.
Executive summary:
There will be no restrictions to anybody, no change of licensing, no new
LibreOffice flavours and the only c
On 09.07.20 18:19, Andreas Mantke wrote:
and there are three reasons, why TDF is "Gemeinnützig":
* der Volks- und Berufsbildung,
* der Wissenschaft und Forschung, insbesondere auf dem Gebiet der
Informatik,
* des bürgerschaftlichen Engagements zugunsten gemeinnütziger Zwecke.
(non
Hi,
Am 09.07.20 um 17:55 schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen:
> Hi Alex,
>
> I wanted to limit myself to those four tweets on this discussion, but this
> one really rattles my bones, so here we go:
>
> On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 04:30:51PM +0200, Alexander Werner wrote:
>> I want to remind all of you what The
Hi Alex,
thanks for your contribution and see inline my comments.
On 09/07/2020 16:30, Alexander Werner wrote:
> Dear board, dear community,
>
> Abstract:
> I request the board to:
> - provide software in accordance with the statues.
Absolutely, there is no intention of changing that.
> - remove
Hi Alex,
I wanted to limit myself to those four tweets on this discussion, but this
one really rattles my bones, so here we go:
On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 04:30:51PM +0200, Alexander Werner wrote:
> I want to remind all of you what The Document Foundation is all about,
> as stated in the *unalterabl
Hi Alex,
On 06/07/2020 10:27, Alexander Werner wrote in bugzilla at
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134486#c23
> Cleary, The Document Foundation must release a version that is open
> to all intended audiences. As clearly stated in the statues, the
> intended audience is: ever
Hi Alex,
Alexander Werner wrote on 09/07/2020 16:30:
> I want to remind all of you what The Document Foundation is all about,
> as stated in the *unalterable* statutes
> (https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/statutes/):
>
> "The objective of the foundation is the promotion and developm
On 09/07/2020 16:23, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> All community members should look regularly at the dashboard, is a very
> useful tool which provides a good overview of activities.
Indeed; you can see it here:
https://dashboard.documentfoundation.org/
Though I believe it is
Thanks Italo.
I still need to learn a lot of stuff ;-)
Paolo
On 09/07/2020 17:18, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> Just a quick note.
>
> On 7/9/20 5:11 PM, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
>
>>> Slide 15 and 16
>>> These two are a slap into the face of many of the community members. It is
>>> made clear that only co
All community members should look regularly at the dashboard, is a very
useful tool which provides a good overview of activities.
On 7/9/20 5:21 PM, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
> Thanks Italo.
>
> I still need to learn a lot of stuff ;-)
>
> Paolo
>
> On 09/07/2020 17:18, Italo Vignoli wrote:
>> Just a
Just a quick note.
On 7/9/20 5:11 PM, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
>> Slide 15 and 16
>> These two are a slap into the face of many of the community members. It is
>> made clear that only contributions to the source code are counted - but
>> outlined as "Community the last two years - community by numbe
Hi Uwe,
I'm not a marketing strategist and the plan is a draft of an idea that
you and many others are shaping to get the best results for all.
Having said that I'll try to engage and see if we can get some clearer
ideas about it.
On 09/07/2020 14:31, Uwe Altmann wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Am 18.06.20
Dear board, dear community,
Abstract:
I request the board to:
- provide software in accordance with the statues.
- remove parts of the software that are of no use for the intended
audience, hereby meaning the support key "feature" of LOOL.
- undo the "Personal" edition branding.
I am very concern
Hi,
I'm fine with LibreOffice community edition but if someone want an
additional string
LibreOffice
Fun Project, Fantastic People
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=162848
It's from our libreoffice.org webpage. It doesn't mean Community or Private
use or anything l
El 2020-07-09 06:05, Ilmari Lauhakangas escribió:
Thorsten Behrens kirjoitti 9.7.2020 klo 11.44:
Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
DemocracyOS vs. anything we currently have is an apples to oranges
comparison meaning we *can't* shut anything down.
But how would DemocracyOS then help to solve the too-m
Hi Peter,
On 07/07/2020 00:46, Peter Dolding wrote:
> Well will all new enterprise need features now appear in the
> "LibreOffice Enterprise" first and then "LibreOffice Enterprise" users
> have to beta test them before they come to Personal Edition?
I think there were some slides which
Hi Jan-Marek,
Thanks for your mail; there are lots of interesting points here, some
of them shared by others too. Here is my take:
On 06/07/2020 21:52, Jan-Marek Glogowski wrote:
> The people involved in the decision set this time frame themselves.
> Nothing is forcing this change to be m
Hi Andreas,
kainz.a wrote:
> I think the biggest change has to be done on the LibreOffice.org website
> which will cost some time. The change in LibreOffice will be minor. There
> has to be only an decision about a flavour tag (or not).
>
Yep, plus the exact wording for the about box (c.f. BZ iss
Hi all
Am 18.06.20 um 11:25 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
> The draft presentation is available online on TDF Nextcloud:
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/jzryGw7XDkJadmo
>
> Please focus on the overall strategy and not on specific details, as
> details can be tweaked to reach a wider consens
Hi Paolo, dear BoD,
thank you for your email. I think your reply shows that the discussion on the marketing plan is very important, but that the current solution is premature, debatable and likely counter-productive. Given the need for this substantial discussion (see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6],
Hi,
as also the news feeds add the topic I would suggest to bring as fast as
possible the new marketing strategy. No comment for 6 months will be a nogo.
In addition there are 8 days to find a solution which means enough time. I
also would prefer to have some draft's before the decision about a n
Dear community,
thanks for the feedback on the marketing plan draft via different channels so
far. We want to let you know and have you take part, as the board is
discussing the options now available with that draft.
In the meantime, some more feedback will be integrated in the document already
Thorsten Behrens kirjoitti 9.7.2020 klo 11.44:
Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
DemocracyOS vs. anything we currently have is an apples to oranges
comparison meaning we *can't* shut anything down.
But how would DemocracyOS then help to solve the too-many-channels problem?
In my view it would not he
Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
> DemocracyOS vs. anything we currently have is an apples to oranges
> comparison meaning we *can't* shut anything down.
>
But how would DemocracyOS then help to solve the too-many-channels problem?
Cheers,
-- Thorsten
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Thorsten Behrens kirjoitti 9.7.2020 klo 2.51:
Hi Daniel,
[sry for the repetition, missed this public mail initially]
Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote:
In my opinion, and based on recent experience, I consider it necessary for
TDF to be open to community participation in a more modern and accessi
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