Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022
Hi Kendy, all, Am 06.04.22 um 17:38 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v St 06. 04. 2022 v 17:05 +0200: b) It doesn't help, if a deputy board member tries to jump in for a board member, because it represents the board member (with all consequences including CoI). If the member is not able to vote (e.g. because of CoI), there is no representation possible. I don't agree with your line of thinking. Suppose you were in the Board with me as a deputy, I was missing in a meeting, and you were to represent me. Are you suddenly becoming a Collabora employee or contractor or affiliate in any other way? Or what is the base for the CoI in such a case? in such case the representing deputy steps in for the member and thus he replaces the member. If the member has a CoI, this couldn't be solved by a representation. And to add: the deputy member votes for the represented member (as if the member do it himself). And although you are not agree with me, this makes no difference, because I only describe the rules that apply for foundations / associations in the case of TDF. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v St 06. 04. 2022 v 17:05 +0200: > b) It doesn't help, if a deputy board member tries to jump in for a > board member, because it represents the board member (with all > consequences including CoI). If the member is not able to vote (e.g. > because of CoI), there is no representation possible. I don't agree with your line of thinking. Suppose you were in the Board with me as a deputy, I was missing in a meeting, and you were to represent me. Are you suddenly becoming a Collabora employee or contractor or affiliate in any other way? Or what is the base for the CoI in such a case? All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022
Hi Andreas, thanks for your review and comments. It seems like we replied nearly at the same time as I made my vote conditional to a change of process that permanently fixes the issues you mentioned. The change of process needs to start from the ESC, from where anyway very valuable input is generated, up to the validation of the deliverables. This afternoon I sent a proposal internally asking to evaluate in greater detail some options to change the process but further feedback is always welcome. Ciao Paolo On 06/04/2022 17:05, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hello, Am 06.04.22 um 08:15 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, in the private part of Monday's board call, the Board of Directors discussed the concerns raised with regards to the budgetting process. The Board decided to run another approval vote on the preliminary budget for 2022, as all board members and deputies who might bid on the approved tenders and projects decided to abstain by explicit declaration. sorry, if I'm a bit sarcastic here. It seemed to me the board tried to be creative, but you not always get successful. There is a saying in German: 'gut gemeint, aber nicht gut gemacht', which applies to this change of process. a) All board members have the overall responsibility for leading TDF and its budget. There are no part-time or part-responsible board members. Thus if a board member abstain from the voting it doesn't change anything regarding CoI etc. b) It doesn't help, if a deputy board member tries to jump in for a board member, because it represents the board member (with all consequences including CoI). If the member is not able to vote (e.g. because of CoI), there is no representation possible. c) All members of the board (including deputies) have discussed the budget and it items and thus are - even though they not vote - CoI, because all board members (or deputies taking place in the process) are responsible for the whole budget (including items for tender). If a company/organization, connected to one of the board members (deputies) would bit for one of this tenders there is the risk of nepotism. Thus such companies/organization are excluded from the tendering process. This apply as long and for budgets which are discussed / voted on by connected board members (deputies). Conclusion: companies/organizations connected with current board members could only bit for tenders, which are discussed with only not connected board members (deputies). Thus they could bit for tenders from the budget for 2023 at the earliest. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022
Hello, Am 06.04.22 um 08:15 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, in the private part of Monday's board call, the Board of Directors discussed the concerns raised with regards to the budgetting process. The Board decided to run another approval vote on the preliminary budget for 2022, as all board members and deputies who might bid on the approved tenders and projects decided to abstain by explicit declaration. sorry, if I'm a bit sarcastic here. It seemed to me the board tried to be creative, but you not always get successful. There is a saying in German: 'gut gemeint, aber nicht gut gemacht', which applies to this change of process. a) All board members have the overall responsibility for leading TDF and its budget. There are no part-time or part-responsible board members. Thus if a board member abstain from the voting it doesn't change anything regarding CoI etc. b) It doesn't help, if a deputy board member tries to jump in for a board member, because it represents the board member (with all consequences including CoI). If the member is not able to vote (e.g. because of CoI), there is no representation possible. c) All members of the board (including deputies) have discussed the budget and it items and thus are - even though they not vote - CoI, because all board members (or deputies taking place in the process) are responsible for the whole budget (including items for tender). If a company/organization, connected to one of the board members (deputies) would bit for one of this tenders there is the risk of nepotism. Thus such companies/organization are excluded from the tendering process. This apply as long and for budgets which are discussed / voted on by connected board members (deputies). Conclusion: companies/organizations connected with current board members could only bit for tenders, which are discussed with only not connected board members (deputies). Thus they could bit for tenders from the budget for 2023 at the earliest. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022
I support this preliminary budget but with conditions as there is not enough time to review the entire process by the time we have to file it at the end of April. Multiple times in the past two years, at least, concerns have been raised in regards to the way items are being put forward, voted and tendered so it's about time to put policies and checks in place to make the process more transparent and inclusive. While some may want to assume there is no foul play it is essential to demonstrate that the process, from the ESC up to the tenders approval, is fair, accountable, gives everyone equal opportunities to participate and helps bringing in potential new contributors. The board has has not received the ranking from the ESC with the votes of each member to evaluate if there is a good balance between the choices made by employees of potential bidders and non bidders. As a fully transparent process is not yet in place before final approval so non bidding members of the board, together with the team and the person that made the proposal, will need to review each tender in the budget to make sure that there is no doubts about the benefit for TDF and its wider community. The board will need to work on implementing the procedural changes necessary before the next budgeting round possibly including a suitable version of the CoI Policy, as already implemented by the MC and the Board, for the ESC. With the above as a condition I vote +1 Ciao Paolo On 06/04/2022 08:15, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, in the private part of Monday's board call, the Board of Directors discussed the concerns raised with regards to the budgetting process. The Board decided to run another approval vote on the preliminary budget for 2022, as all board members and deputies who might bid on the approved tenders and projects decided to abstain by explicit declaration. On behalf of the Board, I therefore call for the following VOTE: Approval of the preliminary budget for 2022 as summarized in https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/dlUqWosS6dnXs8bWoXl2vC6a and discussed in the private board meeting on 2022-03-28 The vote runs until Monday, April 11, 0800 Berlin time (0600 UTC). -- Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022
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Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022
On Wed, 2022-04-06 at 08:15 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: On behalf of the Board, I therefore call for the following VOTE: Approval of the preliminary budget for 2022 +1 approve -- László Németh, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board process proposal feedback wrt. calendaring
Hi, Thorsten Behrens wrote on 06.04.22 at 11:40: Is there a good way for members (who have a nextcloud account) to subscribe to that? The standard export url webcal://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/remote.php/dav/public-calendars/WPAQ2UTYAJPRW84U/?export leads to slightly suboptimal results (at least here). not sure - from what I see, there is the public link available, or a private link with editing rights for everyone who has it. The third option is to share this mandatorily with all users, but then they can't opt-out. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board process proposal feedback wrt. calendaring
Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Mike Saunders maintains an events calendar. This is embedded in the wiki on > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events and directly accessible via > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/calendar/embed/WPAQ2UTYAJPRW84U/dayGridMonth/now > Is there a good way for members (who have a nextcloud account) to subscribe to that? The standard export url webcal://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/remote.php/dav/public-calendars/WPAQ2UTYAJPRW84U/?export leads to slightly suboptimal results (at least here). Thanks a lot, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022
On 2022-04-06 at 09:16, Florian Effenberger wrote: On behalf of the Board, I therefore call for the following VOTE: Approval of the preliminary budget for 2022 as summarized in https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/dlUqWosS6dnXs8bWoXl2vC6a and discussed in the private board meeting on 2022-03-28 +1 Gabriel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022
On Wed, 2022-04-06 at 08:15 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > On behalf of the Board, I therefore call for the following VOTE: > > Approval of the preliminary budget for 2022 +1 approve -- Caolán McNamara, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Board process proposal feedback wrt. calendaring
Hello, during Monday's board call, we also discussed the board process proposal feedback wrt. calendaring. I wanted to share the links to an existing calendar: Mike Saunders maintains an events calendar. This is embedded in the wiki on https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events and directly accessible via https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/calendar/embed/WPAQ2UTYAJPRW84U/dayGridMonth/now Hope to help, Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022
Hello, in the private part of Monday's board call, the Board of Directors discussed the concerns raised with regards to the budgetting process. The Board decided to run another approval vote on the preliminary budget for 2022, as all board members and deputies who might bid on the approved tenders and projects decided to abstain by explicit declaration. On behalf of the Board, I therefore call for the following VOTE: Approval of the preliminary budget for 2022 as summarized in https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/dlUqWosS6dnXs8bWoXl2vC6a and discussed in the private board meeting on 2022-03-28 The vote runs until Monday, April 11, 0800 Berlin time (0600 UTC). -- Florian Effenberger, Executive Director (Geschäftsführer) Tel: +49 30 5557992-50 | Mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
