Re: [board-discuss] Moderation And Elections
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 19/08/2022 17:34: I'd not bet on it. It's your (the board) duty to create a clean process without any obstruction and equality of choice for everyone. Sure! Everyone must and will have a fair change to (be) nominate(d). The deadline is clear. Another part from the announcement: " Please send nominations and self-nominations via e-mail to electi...@documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of Directors in private) and *at the same time (!)* to board-discuss@documentfoundation.org (which is a public mailing list)." So of there is any delay in moderation, then there is - the mail to elections@ - the mail in moderation queue that make clear beyond doubt that/if a nomination is before Wednesday, 2022-08-24, 24:00 "(00:00 is beginning of the day, 24:00 is end of the day) All times in CEST/UTC+2" With the elections starting a week after end nomination, I really fail to see how a possible delay in moderation can break the process. .. If you fail, you have to take the full responsibility and draw the obvious conclusion. Thanks :) Cor Am 19.08.22 um 17:10 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 19/08/2022 16:13: ... The time it takes to moderate a candidacy email through the moderation queue is the proof that this is an obstruction of the election process. As we know, the nomination phase ends on Wednesday, 2022-08-24, 24:00. So if five days before that moment there is a delay in moderation, I don't think you can seriously argue that there is any obstruction of the election process. Having said that: it definitely is good to make sure that delay is not the norm, and that we do not miss any last minute nominations. Thanks for reminding us. Greetings, Cor Quote from the announcement, Subject: [board-discuss] [ANN] Announcing the election for the next TDF Membership Committee Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 13:02:11 +0200 From: Thorsten Behrens To: TDF Board Discussion " 2. Wednesday, 2022-08-24, 24:00: end of the nomination phase (one week before the election starts, as per § 12 II) 3. Thursday, 2022-09-01, 00:00: official start of the elections (at least 45 days after announcement of the election, as per § 12 II) " -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 mobile : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001 skype : cornouws blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com jabber : cor4off...@jabber.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Moderation And Elections
Hi Cor, hi all, I'd not bet on it. It's your (the board) duty to create a clean process without any obstruction and equality of choice for everyone. If you fail, you have to take the full responsibility and draw the obvious conclusion. Regards, Andreas Am 19.08.22 um 17:10 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 19/08/2022 16:13: ... The time it takes to moderate a candidacy email through the moderation queue is the proof that this is an obstruction of the election process. As we know, the nomination phase ends on Wednesday, 2022-08-24, 24:00. So if five days before that moment there is a delay in moderation, I don't think you can seriously argue that there is any obstruction of the election process. Having said that: it definitely is good to make sure that delay is not the norm, and that we do not miss any last minute nominations. Thanks for reminding us. Greetings, Cor Quote from the announcement, Subject: [board-discuss] [ANN] Announcing the election for the next TDF Membership Committee Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 13:02:11 +0200 From: Thorsten Behrens To: TDF Board Discussion " 2. Wednesday, 2022-08-24, 24:00: end of the nomination phase (one week before the election starts, as per § 12 II) 3. Thursday, 2022-09-01, 00:00: official start of the elections (at least 45 days after announcement of the election, as per § 12 II) " -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Moderation And Elections
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 19/08/2022 16:13: ... The time it takes to moderate a candidacy email through the moderation queue is the proof that this is an obstruction of the election process. As we know, the nomination phase ends on Wednesday, 2022-08-24, 24:00. So if five days before that moment there is a delay in moderation, I don't think you can seriously argue that there is any obstruction of the election process. Having said that: it definitely is good to make sure that delay is not the norm, and that we do not miss any last minute nominations. Thanks for reminding us. Greetings, Cor Quote from the announcement, Subject: [board-discuss] [ANN] Announcing the election for the next TDF Membership Committee Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 13:02:11 +0200 From: Thorsten Behrens To: TDF Board Discussion " 2. Wednesday, 2022-08-24, 24:00: end of the nomination phase (one week before the election starts, as per § 12 II) 3. Thursday, 2022-09-01, 00:00: official start of the elections (at least 45 days after announcement of the election, as per § 12 II) " -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 mobile : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001 skype : cornouws blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com jabber : cor4off...@jabber.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Moderation And Elections
Hi all, if you look at the latest self nomination email for the MC, you'll find out that it took about 5 hours to get it through the moderation queue. The announce email (https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2022/msg00828.html) state that every candidate has to send his candidacy to this list (board-discuss) in time. If there is a moderation in place (like currently) it is not possible for any member of TDF to see the current list of candidates, think in time about a candidacy (because its not obvious, how many and which other candidates are already running) or could get a feedback, if her/his candidacy email has been send successfully to this list. The time it takes to moderate a candidacy email through the moderation queue is the proof that this is an obstruction of the election process. If it will not be disabled immediately every candidate who has not been elected could challenge the result. But because the moderation is already in place since July, 8 2022 there is a good chance that the whole election process for the MC needs a restart. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
