Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-09-05
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi píše v So 10. 09. 2022 v 15:45 +0200: > > I am happy to share the folder (read-only) to the general public > > too, > > but I'd like to have Paolo's OK before I do - Paolo, is it OK for > > you? > > I'm totally fine with sharing the folder to all so that they can see > how it changed over time. Thank you, it can be seen here: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/zfoRygFbBgJZZcj > I've uploaded version 2.8 with some comments. > > I've accepted several changes even if don't satisfy me fully but a > decent compromise today is better than nothing at all. > > It took a very long time to get here so I hope that the long > discussions haven't put off potential candidates. > > I believe this version (2.8) should now be sent to our legal counsel > for verification and the result should be voted on. > > Would you agree? I've added answers to your comments as: TDF-In-House-Developers-Proposal-v2-8-Merged-answers.odt For many of them, it is just an "OK, accepted"; just few bits around the ESC are controversial or even not acceptable for me - but I've outlined those already in the call on Monday. Can you please have a look? Thank you in advance! All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-09-05
Hi Kendy, Andreas and all, On 09/09/2022 19:44, Jan Holesovsky wrote: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v Pá 09. 09. 2022 v 16:50 +0200: Thus it would be great, if you could make the current state of the documents (maybe with the changes done) available for the interested community. It is still all developing in the same folder as before, available for all the TDF members: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Developers It contains all the versions since 2.0, and most of them have change tracking turned on. I am happy to share the folder (read-only) to the general public too, but I'd like to have Paolo's OK before I do - Paolo, is it OK for you? I'm totally fine with sharing the folder to all so that they can see how it changed over time. I've uploaded version 2.8 with some comments. I've accepted several changes even if don't satisfy me fully but a decent compromise today is better than nothing at all. It took a very long time to get here so I hope that the long discussions haven't put off potential candidates. I believe this version (2.8) should now be sent to our legal counsel for verification and the result should be voted on. Would you agree? All the best, Kendy Ciao Paolo -- Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details:https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-09-05
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v Pá 09. 09. 2022 v 16:50 +0200: > Thus it would be great, if you could make the current state of the > documents (maybe with the changes done) available for the interested > community. It is still all developing in the same folder as before, available for all the TDF members: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Developers It contains all the versions since 2.0, and most of them have change tracking turned on. I am happy to share the folder (read-only) to the general public too, but I'd like to have Paolo's OK before I do - Paolo, is it OK for you? All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-09-05
Hi Jan, hi all, Am 08.09.22 um 23:45 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v Čt 08. 09. 2022 v 21:01 +0200: * Anything closer to be voted on? (Thorsten) * another round of editing document (Kendy) * closer to be voted on * it's in shared folder * another round of edits on his documents * Paolo made last edits on Friday, will look into it soon * glad to hear, re-added some comments to latest version (Paolo) * no massive rush right now, been in the making for a while (Thorsten) AI: add to agenda of next board call Folder with developers proposal (under Shared/Developers) Latest version 2.6 - Comments in version 2.5-With-Comments https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/960049 looks like I learned another sort of management strategies: management by continuous postponement I am not sure what do you mean; we are working hard with Paolo on the document to minimize areas that are mutually unacceptable, and I am pleased to see that the amount of problematic points is decreasing with every version. I'm always interested in learning new and promising managing methods. And this here seemed a one that I have not learned about. If you compare the document in the current state with my or Paolo's first version, you will see the huge amount of work we have both put into this. I believe this is true, but the links above in the meeting minutes are not public (also not public for logged in users). Thus no user of this list could proof your statement. Thus it would be great, if you could make the current state of the documents (maybe with the changes done) available for the interested community. This would help to follow the process and understand the pro and cons of this management method. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-09-05
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v Čt 08. 09. 2022 v 21:01 +0200: > > * Anything closer to be voted on? (Thorsten) > > * another round of editing document (Kendy) > > * closer to be voted on > > * it's in shared folder > > * another round of edits on his documents > > * Paolo made last edits on Friday, will look into it soon > > * glad to hear, re-added some comments to latest version (Paolo) > > * no massive rush right now, been in the making for a while > > (Thorsten) > > AI: add to agenda of next board call > > Folder with developers proposal (under Shared/Developers) > > Latest version 2.6 - Comments in version 2.5-With-Comments > > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/960049 > > > looks like I learned another sort of management strategies: > > management by continuous postponement I am not sure what do you mean; we are working hard with Paolo on the document to minimize areas that are mutually unacceptable, and I am pleased to see that the amount of problematic points is decreasing with every version. If you compare the document in the current state with my or Paolo's first version, you will see the huge amount of work we have both put into this. I am also extremely pleased that we are both able to work on one shared ODT document together. As to the current state, I cannot speak for Paolo (so Paolo, please correct me if I'm wrong), but from my point of view it is now clear that: 1. We both agree TDF should hire developers. I've moved on from my "more development mentors instead of developers, please" position long ago; I think it was even documented on this ML. 2. We both agree that the Board has the ultimate deciding power. 3. We have accepted and/or removed many problematic parts (ranging from words to full paragraphs) all over the document. 4. We are still finding middle-ground for the role of ESC. (For example, the idea that TDF in-house developers wouldn't be bound by ESC rules and decisions the same way as volunteer and/or corporate contributors is not acceptable for me, and so far I am unfortunately failing to come up with formulation that is acceptable for Paolo.) 5. We are still finding middle-ground for some details around knowledge sharing/mentoring in areas where the in-house developers become experts. (But I think in this area, we are much closer to a conclusion, compared to 4.) I've spent many hours answering the comments in the 2.5-With-Comments today, and I'm finalizing the 2.7 that will be hopefully again one more step closer to being acceptable by both of us; but unfortunately it is too late to upload it now - hope to do it tomorrow early. All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-09-05
Am 08.09.22 um 20:24 schrieb Florian Effenberger: The Document Foundation Board of Directors Meeting 2022-09-05 Meeting Minutes (...) 2. Status Report, Discuss: Merged developer proposal (tdf-board, Jan Holesovsky, Paolo Vecchi, 10 mins) * should the merged proposal be ready * have a last round of discussion * if conclusive - vote & budget for it Otherwise, re-evaluate our approach. References: * Shared folder with the versions: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Developers * Anything closer to be voted on? (Thorsten) * another round of editing document (Kendy) * closer to be voted on * it's in shared folder * another round of edits on his documents * Paolo made last edits on Friday, will look into it soon * glad to hear, re-added some comments to latest version (Paolo) * no massive rush right now, been in the making for a while (Thorsten) AI: add to agenda of next board call Folder with developers proposal (under Shared/Developers) Latest version 2.6 - Comments in version 2.5-With-Comments https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/960049 looks like I learned another sort of management strategies: management by continuous postponement Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
