Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget 2021
On 25.03.21 09:52, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 25.3.2021 8.58, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 24.3.2021 20.46, Andreas Mantke wrote: Thus TDF has to evaluate the reasons for this poor execution and make improvements (especially for the time after the corona pandemic). If TDF will dodge on this topic, there will be from my opinion no valid reason to complain about a 'shortage' of volunteers in the LibreOffice project. I can't say I recognise your description as in 2021 alone I have onboarded over 130 volunteers and I'm not the only one doing this sort of thing. I have to correct myself: in 2021 I have onboarded 58 volunteers and in 2020 84 volunteers. Ilmari thanks Ilmari, i think it's great to have TDF staff onboarding volunteers :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget 2021
On 25.3.2021 8.58, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 24.3.2021 20.46, Andreas Mantke wrote: Thus TDF has to evaluate the reasons for this poor execution and make improvements (especially for the time after the corona pandemic). If TDF will dodge on this topic, there will be from my opinion no valid reason to complain about a 'shortage' of volunteers in the LibreOffice project. I can't say I recognise your description as in 2021 alone I have onboarded over 130 volunteers and I'm not the only one doing this sort of thing. I have to correct myself: in 2021 I have onboarded 58 volunteers and in 2020 84 volunteers. Ilmari -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget 2021
On 24.3.2021 20.46, Andreas Mantke wrote: Thus TDF has to evaluate the reasons for this poor execution and make improvements (especially for the time after the corona pandemic). If TDF will dodge on this topic, there will be from my opinion no valid reason to complain about a 'shortage' of volunteers in the LibreOffice project. I can't say I recognise your description as in 2021 alone I have onboarded over 130 volunteers and I'm not the only one doing this sort of thing. Ilmari -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget 2021
Hi Dennis, Am 24.03.21 um 16:50 schrieb Dennis Roczek: > Hello Andreas, > > Am 22.03.2021 um 15:24 schrieb Andreas Mantke: >>> seemed the board increases the expenses for staff etc. for round about >>> 50 % within one year. >> >> and you could compare that with the planed budget for community >> projects, which get no increase and stayed at 2 € (for the whole >> world wide community). > We are in a pandemic. > > The budget is based on the local communities which send out budget > wishes. > > As most conferences and thus the booths are not taking place very > likely in 2021 (or already canceled), many communities didn't send any > or at least a very small budget wish. This is totally ok for the > moment. Same goes for the travel expenses which is naturally not > taking place at the moment. > > For example, the German community did only send a minimum wish. There > are no meetings in 2021 at the Linux Hotel in Essen nor meetings in > Hamburg or Berlin nor any real life conference (Rhein Ruhr, et all are > all canceled, postponed or virtualized). You know the situation very > well in German and Europe. How should the German community request > money and especially for what? > and have a look into 2019, the last year without pandemic restrictions: - community (project) -- 15.029,94 € (plan was 30,000.00 €) - staff -- 467.624,28 € The budget for the community was also before the pandemic restrictions very low. And there is a further issue. There seemed to be a problem to even execute on this small budget. Thus TDF has to evaluate the reasons for this poor execution and make improvements (especially for the time after the corona pandemic). If TDF will dodge on this topic, there will be from my opinion no valid reason to complain about a 'shortage' of volunteers in the LibreOffice project. Regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget 2021
Hello Andreas, Am 22.03.2021 um 15:24 schrieb Andreas Mantke: seemed the board increases the expenses for staff etc. for round about 50 % within one year. and you could compare that with the planed budget for community projects, which get no increase and stayed at 2 € (for the whole world wide community). We are in a pandemic. The budget is based on the local communities which send out budget wishes. As most conferences and thus the booths are not taking place very likely in 2021 (or already canceled), many communities didn't send any or at least a very small budget wish. This is totally ok for the moment. Same goes for the travel expenses which is naturally not taking place at the moment. For example, the German community did only send a minimum wish. There are no meetings in 2021 at the Linux Hotel in Essen nor meetings in Hamburg or Berlin nor any real life conference (Rhein Ruhr, et all are all canceled, postponed or virtualized). You know the situation very well in German and Europe. How should the German community request money and especially for what? Regards, Andreas Best regards, Dennis OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget 2021
Hi, Am 20.03.21 um 16:39 schrieb Andreas Mantke: > Hi, > > Am 18.03.21 um 13:19 schrieb Florian Effenberger: >> Hello, >> (...) >> Recurring: 828.615,15 € >> >> Salaries and compensations 647.787,78 € >> > seemed the board increases the expenses for staff etc. for round about > 50 % within one year. and you could compare that with the planed budget for community projects, which get no increase and stayed at 2 € (for the whole world wide community). If you look into the publicly available ledger on the TDF wiki, you'll see an increase of the expenses for TDF staff from: 2015 - 276.084,38 € to 2021 (planed) - 647.787,78 € More than twice of the expenses after only 6 years. There should be a notable boost in the outcome in several areas of TDF's activities, which justify such an increase of the expenses, payed from donation money. Regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget 2021
Hi, Am 18.03.21 um 13:19 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hello, > (...) > Recurring: 828.615,15 € > > Salaries and compensations 647.787,78 € > seemed the board increases the expenses for staff etc. for round about 50 % within one year. Regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
