Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-22 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
Benchmarks are the worst, except of course for the alternatives. Martin wrote: The present Boinc run benchmarks are too unrepresentative across different hardware to work well enough even within a project. Hence the dire inaccuracies when trying to award credit using run time.

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 22 Jul 2009 09:43:52 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: Rank is rather hopeless as a metric. I dedicate 1% of computing power to some projects and I am in the top few. On others I dedicate 33% of computing power and I am not in the top thousand. If you want to get into the top few

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-21 Thread Martin
Hey! An excellent thoughtful thread! And the answer is...? ... Nicolás Alvarez wrote: El Martes 14 Jul 2009 09:41:10 Carl Christensen escribió: with boinc credits the simple rule is there's no pleasing anyone. I [...] Even more: think what would have happened if they had released the GPU

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-21 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 21 Jul 2009 16:54:01 Martin escribió: My thought is that we must have a semantic shift so that what is usefully utilised is rewarded, and not just *time spent* (perhaps busyly uselessly spinning wheels) on whatever hardware. The GPU and CPU apps don't necessarily make the same amount

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-21 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
If you really want to open that can of worms, how about the fact that a floating point add (which is a floating point operation) is dramatically easier than a floating point cos(). ... and the fact that an AMD processor might do adds dramatically faster than an Intel, but do cos() slower. A

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-21 Thread Martin
Nicolás Alvarez wrote: El Martes 21 Jul 2009 16:54:01 Martin escribió: My thought is that we must have a semantic shift so that what is usefully utilised is rewarded, and not just *time spent* (perhaps busyly uselessly spinning wheels) on whatever hardware. The GPU and CPU apps don't

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-21 Thread Martin
Lynn W. Taylor wrote: If you really want to open that can of worms, how about the fact that a floating point add (which is a floating point operation) is dramatically easier than a floating point cos(). ... and the fact that an AMD processor might do adds dramatically faster than an

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-21 Thread zombie67
On Jul 21, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Lynn W. Taylor wrote: I don't see a way out, short of doing exactly what Eric Korpela's script tries to do -- normalize FLOPS credit to that predicted by the (imperfect) benchmarks. Solution: Give up on cross-project credit parity. It's an impossible goal.

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-14 Thread Carl Christensen
with boinc credits the simple rule is there's no pleasing anyone. I actually think that if my GPU does 10 times the work of a CPU that I should get 10 times the credit (which I think is what you or the noisier credit people are complaining about)? at the very least, that promotes better

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-14 Thread John . McLeod
If your computer does 10 times the work per hour than mine, it should be granted 10 times the credit per hour. However, that works out to the same credit per task for both computers as yours will go through 10 in the same mine will go through 1. Some people believe that the faster computer

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 14 Jul 2009 09:41:10 Carl Christensen escribió: with boinc credits the simple rule is there's no pleasing anyone. I actually think that if my GPU does 10 times the work of a CPU that I should get 10 times the credit (which I think is what you or the noisier credit people are