Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
looks really promising, please let us all know how it went. Gesendet von meinem STK-LX1 mit Tapatalk PN me if your Boom / Classic / Transporter display has issues! Blog: https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?rinli=1=1=5053304027701850753#allposts JoeMuc2009's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23131 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
With Joe's update to let us know about 4 ohm I would think this should work. https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-PC83-4-3-Full-Range-Poly-Cone-Driver-295-154 Sounds like it should be in stock by the end of the month. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 8.2.0 on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 8.2.0 on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave Squeezebox Boom - "At Large" player around both home and cabin Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin) w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
JoeMuc2009 wrote: > Sure, I just measured 3.7 on one of the originals, close enough to > 4. Thank you Sir !! leinster-lad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
Sure, I just measured 3.7 on one of the originals, close enough to 4. PN me if your Boom / Classic / Transporter display has issues! Blog: https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?rinli=1=1=5053304027701850753#allposts JoeMuc2009's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23131 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
JoeMuc2009 wrote: > Hi there, please see here: > https://joes-tech-blog.blogspot.com/2016/03/logitech-squeezebox-boom-ue-radio-bass.html > I have described the matter and how to repair it in detail, and there is > also a draft with measurements plus a new image with all measurements > you need: > > > > > > - negative terminal size: *2.8mm * - positive terminal size: *5.2mm* - mounting hole diameter: *4mm* - Distance between opposite mounting hole centres: *90mm* - Depth of the driver from the mounting flange to the back of the > magnet: *59mm* - Diameter of the opening in the front case baffle: *82mm* - Distance between the edge of the "front baffle hole" and the > centre of one of the mounting screw holes: *9.5mm > * > > > > > Joe Hi Joe, Just wondering if you knew what the DC voice coil resistance of the genuine logitech woofer ? I see that the FaitalPRO-3FE25-3 drivers are back in stock at Parts Express. There are 4 ohm or 8 ohm versions available, so just wondering which is better suited. thanks leinster-lad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
w3wilkes wrote: > I wonder if these would work as replacements > > https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-PC83-8-3-Full-Range-Poly-Cone-Driver-295-156?gclid=Cj0KCQiAieWOBhCYARIsANcOw0yoxuYKjPx_-P9_OIsF4DIgberwNV9snNDrDk3zMrjmaEIAA-Lbd50aAln0EALw_wcB Possibly, some forum members managed to fit Dayton Audio ND91-4 with some modifications to the case and speakers https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dayton-ND91-4-Aluminum-Full-Range-Driver/dp/B005FMXUZ0 Here's one of the write-ups, post #95: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?82497-Is-Anyone-Fixing-Booms/page10 Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
I wonder if these would work as replacements https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-PC83-8-3-Full-Range-Poly-Cone-Driver-295-156?gclid=Cj0KCQiAieWOBhCYARIsANcOw0yoxuYKjPx_-P9_OIsF4DIgberwNV9snNDrDk3zMrjmaEIAA-Lbd50aAln0EALw_wcB Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 8.2.0 on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 8.2.0 on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave Squeezebox Boom - "At Large" player around both home and cabin Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin) w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
JoeMuc2009 wrote: > It's just my opinion but I think reconing the speakers is overkill when > the only thing that breaks is actually the surrounds which are > well-reachable and available for purchase. > Absolutely agree Joe - was just answering the question. JoeMuc2009 wrote: > it's actually amazing that they last for so long. > Yeah, but beta testers of the product started to see these failures back in 2010/2011 after two-three years of use. So relatively pleased mine lasted 11 years or so, I obviously started preparing for the failure for some years now - as well as the foam surrounds purchased in 2015, I have a new in box pair of Faital Pros (2018) and a new in box pair of Logitech 170089's snapped up when some appeared on eBay, also in 2018. Just ordered some more foams as well, I have many more speakers to keep in shape!! Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
It's just my opinion but I think reconing the speakers is overkill when the only thing that breaks is actually the surrounds which are well-reachable and available for purchase. I don't see a need to replace anything else. The quality of the speakers and the parts contained is really very good, and the fact that the surrounds are breaking is just a consequence of the amplitude they have to suffer - bit of a tradeoff for the great sound being produced. No material can withstand that forever, it's actually amazing that they last for so long. All other parts in the woofers are not degrading if handled correctly. Please keep in mind that when Slimdevices designed the Boom, they programmed the DSP to match the woofer characteristics exactly to get the best out of them, and any modification or picking different chassis might collide with that, ending in a sound much worse than before. The DSP programming is part of the firmware and cannot be modified to adjust for other speakers. New surrounds are not as critical as long as they are not too stiff and provide an air-tight seal. I would not mess with anything closer to the magnetic parts though. PN me if your Boom / Classic / Transporter display has issues! Blog: https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?rinli=1=1=5053304027701850753#allposts JoeMuc2009's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23131 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
djringjr wrote: > Kev, or others, > > Is there a kit for re-coning that will fit the original speakers with a > rubber surround? > >From reading the previously linked thread "Is Anyone Fixing Booms" it would seem the 3" drivers were a custom design for Logitech by GGEC. One forum member contacted GGEC to see if they would sell the drivers, but their last report back was "no" - this was back in 2011. Searching online for 3" recone kits doesn't seem to yield any results and perhaps more telling is that the recone kits that are available seem to be for specific driver make/models... generally much larger than 3" and pretty expensive. So I'd say there's no chance of getting recone kits for these speakers, it's down to the repairs or non-oem replacements with modifications that have already been discussed in threads on this forum and blogs. I purchased my Boom in 2009 and suddenly noticed how bad it sounded a month ago, the surrounds had most likely been splitting for a while but I generally do not drive the unit hard volume wise so hadn't noticed any issue, anyway let's say 11 years to fail, my SB Radios which use the same drivers were purchased in 2012, it will be interesting to see if the drivers in those start to fail in the next few years. Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
KeBul wrote: > https://speakerrepairshop.nl/en/rubber-surrounds/by-size/up-to-4-inch/rubber-ring-3-inch-for-a-unit-with-a-cone-size-of-5-5-cm/a-296-2042[/URL] > > I also purchased their recommended glue. > > Kev Kev, or others, Is there a kit for re-coning that will fit the original speakers with a rubber surround? A re-cone kit (I'm avoiding the word "reconing" because it defies my spellcheck.) has a cone, the surround, the voice coil and the voice coil cap, so you can use the old frame and magnet of the original loudspeaker. If there is one that fits, my trick from 50 years ago when I professionally reconed loudspeakers and drivers for horns was to take some masking tape and taping a suitable length of it to a index card (thin card stock) with the sticky side out, and pushing the card with the sticky tape on it inside the thin slot where the voice coil fit and use it to remove any dust in the slot and to make sure the voice coil would move freely when the new voice coil was used to replace the old voice coil. With musicians I found many voice coil forms deformed by heat resulting in warping the coil and when it was reproducing sound the movable coil would stick and make distortion. I wish someone would take the Logitech Boom line up and remanufacture it, it was really ahead of it's time. Perhaps with the increase of man-made noise on the medium wave radio band people would really enjoy the BOOM's ability to receive a Medium Wave AM radio stream static free. My BOOM has replaced my bedside AM/FM radio and with synch I have music that plays room-to-room. I love my BOOM. Best wishes, David Ring Green Harbor, MA USA =30= djringjr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
djringjr wrote: > Where did you purchase the new foam surrounds? Model number please? > > Thanks, > > David > Hmmm... good question, I bought them quite some time ago from speakerrepairshop.nl Checking my emails it seems the ones I purchased were: F3Ct3 Foam ring, 3 inch, for a unit with a cone size of 5,8 cm But more recently the rubber R3C1 have been recommended: https://speakerrepairshop.nl/en/rubber-surrounds/by-size/up-to-4-inch/rubber-ring-3-inch-for-a-unit-with-a-cone-size-of-5-5-cm/a-296-2042 I also purchased their recommended glue. As well as Joe's blog, I checked out this blog for replacement technique https://www.repiuk.nl/essays/. I preferred and used Joe's method of leaving the old surround stuck on the cone and just trimming it flush, also found that remaining ring of old surround on the cone a perfect area for applying the new glue and a a guide for setting the new surround centrally. I seem to remember Joe having problems with the glue drying... I tested it beforehand and found it worked better as a contact adhesive, apply to both surfaces and let dry (from white to clear) and then stick the two surfaces together. I used the repiuk.nl blog tip of a straw cut to length to push the cone up whilst I set the inside of the new surround to the cone and then released the straw to drop the cone so the outside of the new surround could be stuck to the frame. Finally I re-painted the metal surround to cover up any bare metal caused by scraping off the original glue and cover any excess glue on the frame and lightly dusted the excess glue areas on the cone with french chalk (or talcum powder) to remove any remaining tackiness and hopefully preventing dust sticking to it in the future. Here's the two drivers with new surrounds glued in place prior to paint and chalk: 36563 Kev +---+ |Filename: IMG_6395sm.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36563| +---+ KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
leinster-lad wrote: > Having a real good look around and discovered these :cool: > > I know they are yum-cha brand . but .. > > https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002090129895.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.6.1e8d763f3W9QPy These look like an excellent match! Hopefully a success for you :D PN me if your Boom / Classic / Transporter display has issues! Blog: https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?rinli=1=1=5053304027701850753#allposts JoeMuc2009's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23131 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
leinster-lad wrote: > Having a real good look around and discovered these :cool: > > I know they are yum-cha brand . but .. > > > > https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002090129895.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.6.1e8d763f3W9QPy Just ordered a pair of these. Will let you guys know how it goes / ease of install (looks like they will just drop in) / sound response. leinster-lad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
Having a real good look around and discovered these :cool: I know they are yum-cha brand . but .. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002090129895.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.6.1e8d763f3W9QPy leinster-lad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
Where did you purchase the new foam surrounds? Model number please? Thanks, David On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 09:30 KeBul wrote: > > Hi, > > There's a couple of close to fit replacement drivers been used by the > community... Faital Pro and Dayton Audio, some more reading for you > here: > > > https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?105534-Distorted-Bass-Spilt-Speaker-Exact-Replacement-Available > > and another thread here... posts #88, #95, #102 #114 to get you started > - no doubt plenty more in that thread. > > https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?82497-Is-Anyone-Fixing-Booms > > Also don't rule out putting on new surrounds (re-foaming) yourself if > you are reasonably "handy", I've just done a pair and it's not too bad, > take your time, Joe's blog procedure is pretty good and easy to follow. > > Good luck > > Kev > > > > KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 > > ___ > Boom mailing list > Boom@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom > ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
Hi, There's a couple of close to fit replacement drivers been used by the community... Faital Pro and Dayton Audio, some more reading for you here: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?105534-Distorted-Bass-Spilt-Speaker-Exact-Replacement-Available and another thread here... posts #88, #95, #102 #114 to get you started - no doubt plenty more in that thread. https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?82497-Is-Anyone-Fixing-Booms Also don't rule out putting on new surrounds (re-foaming) yourself if you are reasonably "handy", I've just done a pair and it's not too bad, take your time, Joe's blog procedure is pretty good and easy to follow. Good luck Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
JoeMuc2009 wrote: > Hi there, please see here: > https://joes-tech-blog.blogspot.com/2016/03/logitech-squeezebox-boom-ue-radio-bass.html > I have described the matter and how to repair it in detail, and there is > also a draft with measurements plus a new image with all measurements > you need: > > > > > > - negative terminal size: *2.8mm * - positive terminal size: *5.2mm* - mounting hole diameter: *4mm* - Distance between opposite mounting hole centres: *90mm* - Depth of the driver from the mounting flange to the back of the > magnet: *59mm* - Diameter of the opening in the front case baffle: *82mm* - Distance between the edge of the "front baffle hole" and the > centre of one of the mounting screw holes: *9.5mm > * > > > > > I can send you repaired speakers from Germany for 20 EUR a piece, and > shipping cost will also be around that. If you can find a source for > different speakers that fit, please let us all know. > > Cheers, and in advance a Happy New Year to everyone! > Joe Outstanding ! Thanks Joe , really appreciate your time. All the best and I might just take up your kind offer of repaired speakers. I'll see how I go. Regards David leinster-lad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
leinster-lad wrote: > Hi all, > bumping this thread to hopefully get some detailed info. > > Got the dreaded bass fart last week and today found some time to > investigate. > > Looks like the drivers are near impossible to get here in Oz. > > so I was hoping that some of you legends would have an old ORIGINAL > driver that has already been removed from the boom case, that you could > run the ruler over and get some accurate detailed dimensions. > Then it should not be too hard to find a replacement that actually fits. > > ( I would like to order replacement drivers before pulling mine apart > otherwise I would do the measurements my self.) > > Anyone up for the challenge ?? > > Distance between opposite mounting hole centres > Depth of the driver from the mounting flange to the back of the magnet > Diameter of the opening in the front case baffle > Distance between the edge of the "front baffle hole" and the centre of > one of the mounting screw holes > > Any other measurements that you can make. > > My gratitude would be immense for this vital info that everyone can use. Hi there, please see here: https://joes-tech-blog.blogspot.com/2016/03/logitech-squeezebox-boom-ue-radio-bass.html I have described the matter and how to repair it in detail, and there is also a draft with measurements plus a new image with all measurements you need: - negative terminal size: *2.8mm * - positive terminal size: *5.2mm* - mounting hole diameter: *4mm* - Distance between opposite mounting hole centres: *90mm* - Depth of the driver from the mounting flange to the back of the magnet: *59mm* - Diameter of the opening in the front case baffle: *82mm* - Distance between the edge of the "front baffle hole" and the centre of one of the mounting screw holes: *9.5mm * I can send you repaired speakers from Germany for 20 EUR a piece, and shipping cost will also be around that. If you can find a source for different speakers that fit, please let us all know. Cheers, and in advance a Happy New Year to everyone! Joe PN me if your Boom / Classic / Transporter display has issues! Blog: https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?rinli=1=1=5053304027701850753#allposts JoeMuc2009's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23131 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
Hi all, bumping this thread to hopefully get some detailed info. Got the dreaded bass fart last week and today found some time to investigate. Looks like the drivers are near impossible to get here in Oz. so I was hoping that some of you legends would have an old ORIGINAL driver that has already been removed from the boom case, that you could run the ruler over and get some accurate detailed dimensions. Then it should not be too hard to find a replacement that actually fits. ( I would like to order replacement drivers before pulling mine apart otherwise I would do the measurements my self.) Anyone up for the challenge ?? Distance between opposite mounting hole centres Depth of the driver from the mounting flange to the back of the magnet Diameter of the opening in the front case baffle Distance between the edge of the "front baffle hole" and the centre of one of the mounting screw holes Any other measurements that you can make. My gratitude would be immense for this vital info that everyone can use. leinster-lad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
Hi, I just suffered from the distorted bass on the left woofer, I've opened up the boom as I've seen the comments on the deteriorating glue on the speaker rings. However there is nothing noticeable on the speakers, they look like mint condition, i cannot spot any tear after thorough inspection. Could it be an electronic component or is there anything else I could try? Mid and high tones are perfect. Thanks Neusdoorn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
I've seen this before, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if they push the low frequencies into mono and drive both speakers with it. The point of the DSP design is to maximise low frequency output and in a box this small no-one is ever going to get a sense of stereo separation below about 100hz. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
wow, no, never got this as a complete document. Great, thank you! PN me if your Boom / Classic / Transporter display has issues! LMS 7.9.0 on Windows Server 2012 1x Squezeebox Classic SB2 7x Squeezebox Classic SB3 (one waiting for repair) 7x Squeezebox Boom (two waiting for repair) 1x Transporter 2x Controller (one waiting for repair) 3x Touch (two waiting for repair) 1x Radio JoeMuc2009's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23131 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
Actually it's pure physics. If you push one speaker in carefully in a unit that has no power connected, the other will pop out nearly the same amount. It's an air-tight enclosure where the bass woofers are the only moving parts connecting the inside of the case to the surrounding air. This also means, if one bass moves, e.g. from my sample that plays a frequency just on one side, the other base is passively moving along with that. And thereby causing sound, even though it is not driven by anything but the vacuum and pressure generated by the bass on the other side. That makes it impossible to check both speakers separately as long as the case with its air-tight seal is opened. A "mono" bass where both channels are exactly in phase might cancel itself out because both speakers try to push simultaneously out which creates a stronger internal vacuum, and pull in simultaneously creates the respective amount of pressure. This makes bass movement considerably hard. That's where they do some DSP trickery, I think. Putting the bass just a little out of phase on one side might resolve this for good, without a noticeable effect on what your ears perceive. All this might be completely wrong but if it isn't, it makes the Boom a true engineering marvel. PN me if your Boom / Classic / Transporter display has issues! LMS 7.9.0 on Windows Server 2012 1x Squezeebox Classic SB2 7x Squeezebox Classic SB3 (one waiting for repair) 7x Squeezebox Boom (two waiting for repair) 1x Transporter 2x Controller (one waiting for repair) 3x Touch (two waiting for repair) 1x Radio JoeMuc2009's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23131 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
toby10 wrote: > ...My Boom's speakers still degraded even using sub. Yes, same here, never exceeded 50% volume, attached to a sub, both Boom woofers split. (Repaired by me, new foam surrounds). *Server* - LMS 7.9.1 > Raspberry Pi3/piCorePlayer 3.21, 25K library, cache and playlists on a USB HD (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - RPi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Study* - RPi 3/piCorePlayer 3.21 > HiFiBerry DAC+ > CA Minx 5 *Dining Room* - Boom *Garage* - RPi3/piCorePlayer 3.02 > HiFiBerry DAC+ > Sharp micro system *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play/Access Point plugin > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
Sub Out on Boom is 100 hz. My Boom's speakers still degraded even using sub. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
drmatt wrote: > Fwiw due to the DSP programming in the Boom and Radio the bass cone > operates at close to full excursion almost all the time, even at modest > volume levels. > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- Even with subwoofer connected ? Touch x 2, Booms x 2, Squeeze Cntrl on Samsung S5 (Duet Receiver + Controllers x 2 - semi-retired) swayzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16575 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
Fwiw due to the DSP programming in the Boom and Radio the bass cone operates at close to full excursion almost all the time, even at modest volume levels. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
karlek wrote: > This Joe, author of the blog you linked, offers to replace those > displays. His forum name here is JoeMuc2009. Thanks. found it. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?107535-Good-news-ongoing-production-of-Boom-Classic-and-Transporter-displays= *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
This Joe, author of the blog you linked, offers to replace those displays. His forum name here is JoeMuc2015 IIRC. karlek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64321 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
edwin2006 wrote: > They are repairable I saw this: http://joes-tech-blog.blogspot.com/2016/06/logitech-squeezebox-boom-vfd-display.html all too much for me to do. I wonder if anyone does it professionally? *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
They are repairable *SqueezeBoxes:* 2x SB2 (Living room and study), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Bedroom) *Server:* LMS on Pi3 7.9.1. on PcP 3.21 *Network:* AVM Fritzbox, D-Link Smart Switch 24p, 3x Ubiquity edwin2006's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
Never had the speaker issue (but then again 99% of my boom listening is as bedside player feeding headphones. Speaker rarely used. But I did finally have one boom bite the dust this weekend in terms of Display. Display is blank no matter what. Did all sorts of resets, xlinx, messed with display options, etc. These displays do seem to have an end-of-life. Everything else works, but not useful as I need to control things from the Boom at bedside. This boom was my oldest. Maybe 10 years old (purchased when initially released). I've had display on 24/7 for 8 years of that time. In recent years I've used "blanksaver" to go blank when not using. edit: and I've switched out that boom for another almost new boom I purchased via ebay a few of years ago. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
philippe_44 wrote: > 3 out of my 4 Booms had bad speakers after 5~7 years, with super > moderate use. You can't miss it, the "farting" sound is very obvious, > with very little bass. But replacing/fixing speakers (especially if you > buy new ones) is very doable and otherwise Jo offers a great service to > do that for you. Were all of your "failed" Booms supported by a subwoofer ? Touch x 2, Booms x 2, Squeeze Cntrl on Samsung S5 (Duet Receiver + Controllers x 2 - semi-retired) swayzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16575 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
swayzak wrote: > Hello > > I've had my 2 beloved Booms pretty much since they came on the market, > and both connected to subwoofers almost from day 1. > > They are used frequently (with significant proportion of bass-heavy > music), but rarely above 50 on volume scale. > > I haven't noticed any deterioration in sound (but that doesn't mean > there hasn't been to a more trained or sensitive ear). > > Will this definitely happen at some stage, and what should I be > listening out for ? > > > Thanks 3 out of my 4 Booms had bad speakers after 5~7 years, with super moderate use. You can't miss it, the "farting" sound is very obvious, with very little bass. But replacing/fixing speakers (especially if you buy new ones) is very doable and otherwise Jo offers a great service to do that for you. LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
I have a Boom that was purchased on day one of their availability, is used heavily (12+ hours per day, most every day, at mostly around 40-50 volume), has spent 90% of its life with a sub-woofer attached, and DOES NOT suffer from woofer surround separation. It is not in the direct sun, or in a humid environment. I'm guessing that use of an external sub-woofer is what's saving the speaker surrounds. The crossover is filtering out the deep bass signal, the drivers have an easier job to do, and the cones just aren't pumping with the same amount of energy. Less stress, less wear, and the surrounds have survived. Just a guess, but so far so good. ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
drmatt wrote: > I doubt deterioration is to do with use level, more likely it's to do > with heat cycling or exposure to moisture. So if it's left in the sun > part of the day, or kept in a humid environment. There is a perception > they all do it but I don't think that's true. > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- They are not exposed to either of those factors to any significant degree (both are in shady, non-humid locations). Touch x 2, Booms x 2, Squeeze Cntrl on Samsung S5 (Duet Receiver + Controllers x 2 - semi-retired) swayzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16575 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
Re: [SlimDevices: Boom] Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?
I doubt deterioration is to do with use level, more likely it's to do with heat cycling or exposure to moisture. So if it's left in the sun part of the day, or kept in a humid environment. There is a perception they all do it but I don't think that's true. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107832 ___ Boom mailing list Boom@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/boom
