I will be there.
I shall be there, sans pizza.
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Other than beefy modules used in rarely encountered branches,
it seems like the goal should be to load as much as you can early
so that your children can share code pages, no?
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DWIM Perl seems fine, a repackaging of Strawberry
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If anyone coming happens to have a spare USB-miniB * cable lying around
and would be be willing to donate it to an ancient eReader I saved from
the dustbin I'd appreciate it.
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I'd be happy to meet at Redbones.
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I'll be there.
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$pizza+=0;
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UNIX system administration scripting.
And yet the the slide decks that kicked this all off recommended stripping
out all sorts of functions (which nobody is forced to use) that are useful
for this and other purposes. It's not as if Perl's namespace is anywhere
near as bad as PHP's, so the call to
For general data analysis, PDL, Statistics::R or PDL::R::math
seem like more logical choices than the languages you mentioned.
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Right now, I'm about 60% likely to attend.
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You can add some no-op-ish noise to sidestep the warning e.g;
local $main::tricky;
or
use vars '$main::tricky';
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Detailed? What's kept beyond a called b (arguments...) ? That's not a
lot of bytes, unless it's complete deep copies of structures.
perldoc -f caller
package, line number, etc.
Regardless, my understanding was that although perl's sub calls are
somewhat expensive to some other languages that
at each level of recursion. What seems to be the case though is that when we
start going bac
up the stack that memory doesn't seem to be released at each pop. If, say, at
max depth
500mb of ram has been allocated I don't see that released at any point except
for when
perl exits and then of
If you use a Google hangout, it'd stream live and be archived to youtube
w/o separate saving and upload, n'est-ce pas?
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Count me as 1/2. I have a bit of a sore throat,
am not sure if I'll be up to coming, but was
looking forward to some coverage of PDL!
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Your second version seems more perlish to me, although I'd
probably fiddle with some of the names and it's not clear
why you have the array-ref brackets. I'd suggest:
my($read, $write) = kpipe(...); #korn (cob) pipe!
#... is a string that is parsed a la ksh syntax, or a pre-decomposed list:
#
Count me in
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Just missed #5, #6 is the weekend before tax day.
Interestingly, O'Reilly was a Media partner for #5. I say interesting
because I was under theimpression Bar was created in response to Foo's
invitation-onlyness rubbing some hackers the wrong way.
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Other than some abstract fear of tie, what's wrong with Interpolation?
As implemented, you could easily Memoize the subroutine you bind as your
handler. You can even easily bind two versions, one that memoizes and
another that does not.
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Uri,
i am confused by your statement. i have no abstract fear of tied.
I was referring to the OP's earlier statements.
Tie may be 'overkill', but arguments have been made that a full templating
system is too.
when simpler ones exist? and where did i say not to use interpolation?
Not
Depending on the expected turnout and price range, there are some places
in Porter that are probably not as likely to be crowded e.g; Christoper's,
Toad's, or even Tavern in the Square. For a not large (and unhungry?)
group The Field, in Central, is nice.
But I too am fine with CBC.
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We're going to have some degree of this problem anywhere near a red
line stop, though I agree that the Central Tavern is particularly bad.
Porter locales seem to be relatively off the beaten path while still being
accesible, and away from major schools, which is why I suggested them. For
some
FYI, Summer Shack is also a proper restaurant, but has a sports bar.
This along with the type of food, would seem to indicate a wide selection
of EtOH solutions. http://summershackrestaurant.com/Frankies_Sports_Bar.asp
Although CBC seems to be the choice this round, it's probably worth
keeping
Check the archives, there was just a thread about this a week or so ago.
Personally, I started off by taking an existing piece of software
(a signature randomizer) and trying to add some features I wanted.
If you decide to go that route, check out NMS (aka Not Matt's Scripts)
or maybe PPT (Perl
Pod::S5
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If funding would help someone devote time to proposal logisitics, I'd like to
reiterate a previous proposal: that people chip in a few bucks to that end.
Times are tight of course, but then someone might be able to really use the
odd job. Even a fraction of the money that you would otherwise have
funding isn't the primary mit issue. it is finding a school
sponsor. they would be responsible for all potential expenses which is a
big risk unless they are doing their own conference. so we have to sell
them on the history of yapc always breaking even, the benefits of
hosting it, the CS
I don't think it's that they're worried about the money; we could do
fundraising and front necessary money if needed. (Even if the space is
We're not talking about the same thing. I'm not speaking of money for the
event itself, but to fund someone to put in the time and effort to compose
a winning
ok, i get your point now. but do we need that. composing a letter isn't
something that money can buy.
I don't know what the flow is. I always assumed many of the ducks needed
to be lined up, or evidence given that could be, as a part of the bid.
as i said, i have old drafts. want me to
post them
Seems like the module author went to a lot of effort for a rather
marginal benefit.
That's my take on it too, others seem to disagree.
However, it's worth pointing out that the docs suck, and do a poor job of
distinguishing between what appear to be the two goals of the package:
1) this trivial
To be fair, Majordomo is very old. It's design and functionality does not
necessarily relate to the language of implementation. For instance, compare
sendmail and, well, anything else :-P
As for the gp's inquiry: the true hacker uses the best tool for the job.
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Um, anyone remember our discount code? ;)
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Of course MHonArc would be a better one :-P
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Having suffered wth ClearCase may have helped me .:-)
The software sucks, but the model is wonderful IMHO.
Instant access to everything, use native versions of
your usual userland UNIX tools such as diff, etc.
If there were a nice FLOSS implementation (as katie fs
once promised to be), I might
i forwarded such a report to Sean, who has provided our hosting, moments ago.
(we are not actually hosted by pm.org for web, only for mailing list,
and it appears not for dns either.)
I don't think DNS works like that?
However, a few weeks back they did move the pm.org servers, so something might
lemme know what you think. yes, there aren't too many emacs users in
boston.pm but who knows? this could convert a few of you.
You lie sir! Surely any Bob-fearing coder on the true path of hackish
virtue uses the one true editor.
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Surely the perl community can help him come up with a good marketing term
that puts perl6 on the map
regulexpressions?
In a similar vein, a new mascot for perl isn't very easy to come up with.
Nevertheless, an anime butterfly doesn't do it for me, even if the wings
do include the characters P
No, but according to Mastering RE you want Robert L. Constable's The Role
of Finite Automata in the Development of Modern Computing Theory (1980).
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Ginsberg's
I think the Chameleon surely is a qualified candidate for the Perl6 Mascot job
Indeed, and it keeps the camel root.
A case could also be made for its mouth harboring a natural whip.
Perhaps difficult to make cuddly/effeminate though,
which seems to be one of his main goals.
There's also the
Actually, brookesia are pretty cute:
http://www.wildmadagascar.org/wildlife/brookesia.html
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Ginsberg's Restatement of the Three Laws of Thermodynamics: You
I dunno about platypus versatility so much as contentder for
designed by committee, but I opted not to proffer it earlier
because it's the mascot of DarwinOS (OSS OSX core).
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
Definitely cute though.
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You don't need a Swiss Army knife to cut yourself, a piece of paper will do
just fine. --JP
any other largish duplicate cities you can think of in the states?
Kansas City? :-P
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You don't need a Swiss Army knife to cut yourself, a piece of paper will do
At the MIT talk I almost asked a question can you talk a little about the
macro system but it seemed like kind of an unrealistic request for the QA
section so I chickened out.
Well, it would have been better than the drawn-out query about Fortress,
and wouldn't have prompted me to leave ;-)
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I don't see how it could be, given the need for get/set accessors in OOP.
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The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.
Hey all,
I cam across a handful of Timex and Sinclair ZX magazines while cleaning my
basement this afternoon, and I was wondering if anybody might be interested
in them?
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Okay, I can bring them to the meeting on Tuesday, unless you want to arrange
to pick them up in Porter Square.
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Act kind of random and practice less
I'll run a brief Advent.PM recruting session by going over some of the
modules on our super secret list of candidates, and perhaps pass out a
bit of schwag to volunteer contributors.
I can also offer up a module in need of a little TLC for a mini-hackathon.
-Jerrad
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I may have asked this before, but does anyone play Settlers of Catan,
or might be interested in learning? It's a relatively popular Risk-like
board game, but it can be tough finding people willing to put effort
into fun ;-) If you're interested, let me know, we might even get a game
together this
They sell somewhat pricey soda, so Ron brings a bag of ice,
and essentially whatever soda's on sale
(leaning toward a particuler flavor distribution).
I suggest everyone bring their own mug :-P
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There are people at/from MIT who use perl (Small Languages conferences anyone?)
Myself and Alex V. included. Not so long ago, SIPB used to be home to some perl
folk too. IME though, there aren't really that many coders at MIT, though I've
recently soeen some folks working ona meebo-like thing in
It's not a bug (popped up on deli.cio.us today)
http://blogs.pcworld.com/tipsandtweaks/archives/feature.jpg
Utility Bicycles
http://www.christianiabikes.com/
http://www.xtracycle.com/models.php
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I vote for 8/21, but the weekend could also work. Are we defaulting to CBC,
or are there other preferences? They do have a usable patio this time of year
(though they won't reserve it. For some reason, nobody seems to accept patio
reservations anymore... -| )
I have a bunch of tech books for
In case anybody missed this floating across del.icio.us today
http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html
And not to start any holy wars, but just some food for thought: There's also
an interesting Frontline being shown on 'GBH about how juvenile criminals are
sentenced that for
lynx -dump
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It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while
wolves remain of a different opinion.
NTLM is bad, 'm-k?
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It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while
wolves remain of a different opinion.
In case anyone is interested, there'll be a lecture by the author of xkcd
at MIT in mid-May http://lsc.mit.edu/schedule/current/desc-xkcd.shtml
Also, in case anybody missed it but might be interested
Free commit bits for Data::JavaScript available
And I mentioned CGI::Ajax for those not wanting to touch JavaScript.
(Somebody mentioned CGI::Prototype which seems to be altogether unrelated)
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You don't need a
I mentioned this awhile back, but if you're looking for something to do
this wintery weekend (before you go out drinking) you might consider
http://barcamp.org/BarCampBoston2
It could certainly use more Perly presentations (Jifty maybe? Or Moose?)
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I just got this a little awhile ago, there's going to be another
(more convenient) BarCamp coming up soon... It's something to
consider participating in, and could also be a chance to gain
some experience in event planning for thse interested.
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Here's the (discontinued) Goth Cthulhu I mentioned:
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The only good Smurf is a dead Smurf.
You may want to check your spam filters,
Ronald sent out an announcement on the 5th
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Porter
pick is an MH (maildir) savvy grep -l. You can get it as a part of nmh,
the modern replacment for Rand MH, from http://www.nongnu.org/nmh/
My typical invocation is using, the following, is: pscan --from bob +inbox
alias pick 'pick -list `echo !* | sed s/--/-/`'
alias pscan 'scan `pick !:*`'
It seems to redirect me on to www.perladvent.org which in turn does not
resolve to an IP address at the moment. At least not here at work.
Anyone having trouble with it?
your local DNS is pretty damn slow to refresh then, as www.perladvent.org
has been resolving since early Sunday morning.
The calendar is now up, and the first entry was posted last night.
http://advent.pm.org/
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reality.sys corrupted. universe halted. reboot (y/n)?
Sorry for the late response.
Ditto. I'm out of town for the holiday and currently on dialup.
authors:
I can do that as well.
Great!
+editor (I have no problem doing this):
I can do that too.
Okay, we'll see how much there is to do.
++ domain name: Uri?
I cannot really help
We're looking for people to help continue the tradition of the Perl Advent
Calendar. Since 2000, the calendar has been produced as a fun way of
(re-)introducing the wonders of CPAN to the community through ~four weeks of
daily module reviews. For an example see last year's calendar currently
Great! Again though, please keep module names off the boston-pm list
(send them to me for now) It's widely read and we don't want to ruin
the surprise. Don't worry about having something to write about if
you want to write, that's why we're asking for suggestions to pass
along if you get stumped.
I brought up Ken's experiences with Moose at PerlSemNY on Tuesday and
somebody (Dave Golden or David Adler) mentioned that there's supposed
to be some magic to tell Moose you're final and it solidifies things
for a performance boost.
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Normalizing to tabs by adding -t (1 tab per level of indentation) to
the existing command ought to work too. 'tis a shame it does not DWIM.
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Here's a talk about computer disposal (recycling and security) I thought
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CLI, or terminal?
Curses is a terminal interface, in which case you want Curses::UI
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Why not use a console-based spreadsheet?
It sounds like a lot of this could be done with shell scripts
(grep for users to show, etc.)
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Note that 5.6 says *auto-vivification*, you could actually use scalar file
handles prior to this but you had to use Symbol::gensym (which is the proper
way to do the work-around given).
perl -MModule::CoreList -e 'print Module::CoreList-first_release('Symbol');'
prints 5.002
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Great! How many of us weren't aware this existed in the first place?
{raises hand}
Also, is it such a good idea to broadcast it on a public/archived list?
(Although lists.perl.org points at bad archives, but last I checked the
conact email address given was bogus)
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Presumably you need to explicitly save?
It's worth noting that Excel has odd conceptions of change--resizing the
columns in the display of a CSV will provoke this message--however you are
legitimately being posed this quesiton IMHO.
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There were 2800 lines of re debug output (blame Uri ;-)
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 10:26:31PM -0500, Jerrad Pierce wrote:
Daily module reviews/recommendations until X-mas.
http://web.mit.edu/belg4mit/www/
Re
In case you hadn't noticed, there's no perl advent calendar this year.
I've already emailed Matt and am considering taking it on but was wondering
if any other Boston.PM folks are up for it (too); especially since my art-fu
sucks. Come on, let's show London.PM a thing or two ;-)
I've already got
You want permutations, not combinations.
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But we'll never
This can be said of many such tests. I'd just like to point out that your
last example, isn't. there is, *strictly speaking* only one correct answer.
Which one of the following regular expressions matches lines beginning
with an integer followed by a period and a space?
Choice 1
Touche on the negative, the foo on the other hand is open to interpretation.
I personally don't the question as matches only although I suppose this may
be inferred from the use of ^
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Ugliness:
Instead of using the modules, your pluggable system could read the module
into a scalar, prepended with 'use strict;' and eval that. Of course you'd
have to scan the code for and remove 'no strict;' as well, and be sure that
the author didn't really need it. But what if they: 'no strict
In case anyone is interested:
ANY:
s/iterQSP6
QS 1.22-- -98%
P6 2.04e-002 5889%--
ALL:
RateQSP6
QS 1.44/s-- -98%
P6 78.0/s 5318%--
__CODE__
package Bob;
use Perl6::Junction;
use Quantum::Superpositions;
package main;
use Benchmark;
sub ANY{
Exactly, but being greased lightning I didn't feel it was necessary to
substitute teflon for grease :-P
Your code reports:
ANY:
s/iterQSP6
QS 1.20-- -98%
P6 2.10e-002 5611%--
ALL:
RateQSP6
QS 1.46/s-- -98%
P6 79.2/s 5337%--
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Hooray!
Meeting at my alma-mater
Maps of MIT are at http://whereis.mit.edu
If a specific room is set I could also produce a custom map
(I have all the data)
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I know trekking out to BC was a major disincentive for me :-P
But there are all sorts of interesting things, for example overlap between
Perl Monks and Perl Mongers or size of PMs. I was in Paris for the past six
months and Paris.PM is about 8 people; only two of which are monks and one's
not
To be effective at growing the pool of Perl programmers I think Perl
needs to be used in a general course that isn't specifically about Perl
or some specialty that is already well entrenched with Perl.
Exactly. The wolf book would make an excellent text-book for a beginner's
guide to algorythms
You mean
print ${$x.'::hash'}{key}
It's generally not the best thing to do and should be avoided if possible.
At a minimum you probably should do
print ${__PACKAGE__'::hash'}{key}
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I'm sure we could also find someplace at MIT.
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This statement is false.
I believe perllocal.pod is updated when installing modules with CPAN.
I would then assume that no, there is no aoutmated way to clean perllocal.pod
(although it sounds like the script you used should have, you could always
provide the author with a patch... it might also have been useful to give
Well, that really depends on the OS and filesystem doesn't it?
GetDataBack works quite well for FAT under windows.
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