Re:Re:It's not just Bowie, or is it?

2003-06-25 Thread Jeroen van Baardwijk
At Stardate 20030622.2116, Jan Coffey wrote: No, it is those who are recognising the ICC who are saying that that particular flavor of international law should apply to them. Just becouse the US doesn't go along with something doesn't seggest that they believe that they should be exempt.

Re:Re:Re:It's not just Bowie, or is it?

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Jorpho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the way the ICC is set up, they would not recieve a trial by their peers. Without that we do not beleive that IUPG works. Then you really need to study how things are done in other countries. I'll use The Netherlands as an example: we don't

Re:ICC was Re:It's not just Bowie, or is it?

2003-06-25 Thread Jeroen van Baardwijk
At Stardate 20030624.2056, Jan Coffey wrote: Personaly I see the ICC as a step twards European federalization. I think that is a good thing for Europe, but not for the States. It's too much too fast. Let Europe federalize first and learn what the difficulties of such a system are. IIRC, that's

Re:Re:Re:It's not just Bowie, or is it?

2003-06-25 Thread Jeroen van Baardwijk
At Stardate 20030625.2043, Jorpho wrote: It has been said that there is a certain dramatic allure to the whole secret process of sending the jury off to deliberate before unveiling with a flourish what they agreed on, without any consderation given to how they arrived at this conclusion.

Re:Re:It's not just Bowie, or is it?

2003-06-25 Thread Jeroen van Baardwijk
At Stardate 20030625.2101, Jan Coffey wrote: This is exactly why the US is staying out of the ICC. The regulations are not sufficient to guarentee that they will not be abused. Can you guarantee that someone who is given a trial by jury in the US will be given a *fair* trial? Can you

Re:Re:Re:It's not just Bowie, or is it?

2003-06-25 Thread Jeroen van Baardwijk
At Stardate 20030625.2102, Jan Coffey wrote: I trust an average person taken from the street far more than I would trust someone who does it for a living. So, when you feel ill, you ask a not-medically-trained average person from the street for a diagnosis, rather than go see a physician (a

Re:ICC was Re:It's not just Bowie, or is it?

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Stardate 20030624.2056, Jan Coffey wrote: Personaly I see the ICC as a step twards European federalization. I think that is a good thing for Europe, but not for the States. It's too much too fast. Let Europe federalize first and

Re:Re:It's not just Bowie, or is it?

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Stardate 20030625.2101, Jan Coffey wrote: This is exactly why the US is staying out of the ICC. The regulations are not sufficient to guarentee that they will not be abused. Can you guarantee that someone who is given a trial

Re:Re:Re:It's not just Bowie, or is it?

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Stardate 20030625.2102, Jan Coffey wrote: I trust an average person taken from the street far more than I would trust someone who does it for a living. So, when you feel ill, you ask a not-medically-trained average person from the