--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Stardate 20030701.1734, Jan Coffey wrote:
You don't think power corupts, and so you are not concerned as much about
the system.
That's not what I said. I know that power corrupts, but over here we
consider people in power
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At Stardate 20030629.0253, Steve Sloan wrote:
I think it's rather odd that you have such mistrust of your
government. After all, the people in your government are
there because you *elected* them
--- Martin Malmkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know if I got Ibrahim's message right, but I think that there is no
real idea in continuing this discussion.
The original purpose was to highlight some probable causes why there is so
much anti-americanism out there, and I think those
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Stardate 20030627.1753, Jan Coffey wrote:
Does the American public actually have any idea about how we perceive
your
extreme distrust of government and anything that reeks of government
involvement?
No please explain.
I
--- Martin Malmkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Jan
Just a humble note to your dialogue about justice in our most esteemed
nations.
By the way: Congratulations on creating the most successful headline on
this
list yet :) I changed mine for the sake of variation.
The law-stuff:
1.
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Stardate 20030626.2044, Jan Coffey wrote:
Exactly! What you propose for the ICC is representative governance, but
you
don't use that same system for your own country.
What do you mean? We DO use representative governance!!! You
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Stardate 20030626.0002, Jan Coffey wrote:
IIRC, that's not going to happen: the EU recently decided NOT to
federalise.
Yes and the lack of the other two branches is troubeling.
The EU doesn't have these three branches yet
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Stardate 20030626.0014, Jan Coffey wrote:
That has nothing to do with the concept of trial by jury. The jury
system
doesn't have any more safeguards against an innocent man being
convicted
than our system has.
Your system has
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Stardate 20030626.0018, Jan Coffey wrote:
I trust an average person taken from the street far more than I would
trust someone who does it for a living.
So, when you feel ill, you ask a not-medically-trained average person
from
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See other post about law complexity.
Where more technical points of law are involved, the judge is involved,
and he/she can dismiss the case, declare a mistrial, exclude evidence,
instruct the jury on the points of law, order the jury not
--- Jorpho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But the way the ICC is set up, they would not recieve a trial by their
peers. Without that we do not beleive that IUPG works.
Then you really need to study how things are done in other countries.
I'll
use The Netherlands as an example: we don't
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Stardate 20030624.2056, Jan Coffey wrote:
Personaly I see the ICC as a step twards European federalization. I think
that is a good thing for Europe, but not for the States. It's too much too
fast. Let Europe federalize first
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Stardate 20030625.2101, Jan Coffey wrote:
This is exactly why the US is staying out of the ICC. The regulations
are
not sufficient to guarentee that they will not be abused.
Can you guarantee that someone who is given a trial
--- Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Stardate 20030625.2102, Jan Coffey wrote:
I trust an average person taken from the street far more than I would
trust someone who does it for a living.
So, when you feel ill, you ask a not-medically-trained average person from
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/21273/story.htm
BELGIUM: June 24, 2003
BRUSSELS - The United States will join forces with the European Union and
other countries this week to develop a new technique to fight global
warming pumping carbon dioxide (CO2) underground, EU
I don't think that would be the most benificial.
I think that this whole buisness needs to be played out for it ever to end.
After all how would you feel in the same position? I know how I would feel.
The question is, does Mr. van Baardwijk actualy want it to end? Can he humble
himself to
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let it go, and leave the old list alone.
Or don't let it go, but call it for what it is. Their is no reason to sculk
away, but resolution requires personal honesty, humility, and dignity.
Come one Jeroen, do the honerable thing and step up. You wouldn't
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